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So, there you have it. Here's a Harvard law professor, an Obama appointee. He wants to infiltrate the 9/11 Truth movement with federal agents, frame them up and arrest them. So, what basis is there for confidence in government? The minute people with power don't respect that there are constraints on that power, and don't respect truth as an independent force that is above their personal agendas, then the situation is lost. That is another reason I came to the conclusion it's futile. I think the situation is lost. I don't think the people in the government have any respect for the people, for truth, for justice. Theyclearly have no mercy.

Rob Kall:
So what are you going to do, Paul?

Paul Craig Roberts:
What am I going to do? I'm just going to try to take it easy, calm down. I'm going to do a little bit of reading, things I didn't ever get to read. I've got some wonderful cats I'm going to enjoy. I'm going to enjoy my family. I'm going to enjoy the places that I have taken refuge in. They are pretty, and there's lots of natural scenery, and let things play out. I think the course is set. I don't see how we're going to stop anything. They are going to attack Iran. It's just a matter of time. You can tell they are, because they keep telling blatant lies. They keep issuing the same threats. It's just a replay of Iraq.

I think our real hope if we have a hope, and I think everybody needs to have some hope - I think the hope that we have will come from the fact that the government in Washington has so abused the dollar as reserve currency that it may lose that role. And if it loses that role, or if the Chinese decide to take it away from us, which I think they could do simply by dumping all their holdings, then the power of the Unites States simply evaporates overnight. It can't finance itself. It wouldn't even be able to bring the troops home. It wouldn't be able to pay for its imports. There would be no oil. The United States would go from superpower to fourth world backwater in ten minutes. And that's what the fools in Washington are capable of doing. The deficits are huge. They cannot be financed by world saving. At some point they are going to have to print money. The minute that happens, confidence in the dollar as reserve currency will disappear. We won't be able to import. We won't be able to finance the federal government, and that will end the wars. Now, it will put the American people through the mill. I mean, they'll certainly be wrung out. But it will stop the Evil Empire in its tracks. And that may be what actually happens, because the government is vastly overextended financially. It has been for some time. There is no prospect of them getting their financial house in order, except by more onerous taxation on a country with twenty percent unemployment, a declining economy, and what is there left for them to steal? So, I think that the failure of the dollar as reserve currency may cause a revolution that could end up in the destruction of both parties which, as you said earlier, and with which I agree, is really just one party. The dire nature of the crisis, which would be far more of a crisis than anything anybody has ever imagined, could produce leadership which would bring the country gradually back into the realm of a civilized nation, with respect for human rights and the rights of other people. Right now it doesn't have any respect for anybody's rights.

Rob Kall:
All right. I have a couple of questions that I ask my guests that I am going to talk to you about. This is the Rob Kall Bottom Up Radio Show, WNJC 1360 AM. You can listen to the podcasts that we do at

http://www.opednews.com/populum/podcasts_index.php

A couple of questions, Paul. One: I'm always asking my guests how we transition from a top-down culture and world to a bottom-up one where even the brains work differently. People under thirty have different brains because they have been marinated in the internet and text messages and a whole different way of experiencing the world than people over thirty. It has been said that Hillary lost using a top-down campaign against Obama's bottom-up campaign. Although there is argument that his campaign was not that bottom up ". Do you have any take on this revolution, this change we are going through from top-down to bottom-up?

Paul Craig Roberts:
Well, I don't believe it.

Rob Kall: [laughs]

Paul Craig Roberts:
I think that Americans are more brainwashed now than ever, and I don't see a whole lot of indication that the young are less brainwashed. What I do see, though, is the consequence of all the violent video games is that the young aren't shocked by killings, mass murders and slaughters, because they have been doing it all their lives on their video screen. And I think it has made it more acceptable because it's not so unusual. I can remember when I was a kid growing up, we'd go up to the Saturday cowboy movies, and no one was ever killed. The good guy always shot the gun out of the hand of the bad guy, knocked him out with a right to the jaw, tied him up, put him over the horse, and took him to the sheriff. I remember how shocked we were the first time we saw a movie where the good guy actually shot the outlaw and killed him. Everybody was shocked. But, of course, today, by the time somebody's seven or eight, he's probably already killed a million people on violent video games. Not only that, in a lot of these games, you kill people and they come back to life. So, killing them doesn't really matter because they come right back. And, so, I think all this affects the mentality. I think it's one reason why people aren't shocked that according to what seem to be substantiated reports, the United States is responsible for a million deaths in Iraq. And, obviously, these are not soldiers or insurgents, and no one seems to mind. They're not shocked. (They are not asking ) "Why did we kill all those people?"

Rob Kall:
Yeah, but, you know, Paul, when you establish a policy that children eight years old have access to video games where they kill, and those games are distributed throughout the population, that's a bottom-up way of changing the way adults think.

Paul Craig Roberts:
Right.

Rob Kall:
When you create a new media because video games are now more popular, and a bigger business than movies when you create that, then you establish the rules, which include, "Killing is OK for little children to do in games," then you are immersing those childrens' minds, spirits, hearts and emotions with murder.

Paul Craig Roberts:
I think that's right, Rob, and we saw recently in the video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LF9P5vIzYyE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o2wvxcM6YN4

that was leaked by wikileaks of our troops getting their jollies killing obvious civilians and reporters.

Rob Kall:
You know, I interviewed on Friday one of the members of the Bravo company that the Wikileaks video was about. He was not there on the ground because a couple days before he had refused to fire just randomly at the public, and they didn't trust him anymore.

Paul Craig Roberts:
Right.

Rob Kall:
His take is that what happened in that video is what was supposed to happen. The troops are doing what they've been taught to do, and even their mindset the laughter, the casual way that they approach it is part of the plan of the way that the military coaches them. When they are in training, they literally sing songs about killing mothers and children.

Paul Craig Roberts:
Right. That's exactly it. And I think that has all been aided and abetted by the violent video games. Those are the kids that grew up on those violent video games, and so now they get their jollies murdering people. And what they're doing under the Nuremberg Standard is a war crime. In fact, it's really worse than what the Nazi SS did. It's really worse.

Rob Kall:
How's that?

Paul Craig Roberts:
Well, the Nazi SS did it as a sort of a duty, but it wasn't (with an attitude of)
"Oh, boy, this is fun! Let's kill some more of 'em!" It wasn't anything like that.

Rob Kall:
It's horrible.

Paul Craig Roberts:
It's horrible. And you're right, that is a good example of bottom-up revolution in peoples' attitudes. It is now working for the neo-conservatives and their war for American hegemony over the world. And I think it's going to lead into a nuclear war, unless the dollar collapses before we can antagonize Russia and China so much that they actually stand up to us and there is some kind of a showdown. Unless the dollar collapses first, there's going to be a nuclear war that comes out of this indifferent attitude toward human life that now characterizes the United States military and its police, the local police. They all have the same attitude. So, it's a very serious situation, and I think the only reason it hasn't broken apart already, and that we are not more brutalized than we are, is that there are a few semblances of the old system in place - but something is going to crack them one day.

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