What does that tell you? That shows you how far they're willing to go to protect the incredibly deep dark secrets of the secret surveillance program called Stellar Wind in particular, which in itself was an umbrella program which had many many parts to it. Four primary but there was other parts to it. You're only hearing about it, this whole thing, you have got to remember with false flag and in some ways meta data has become a false flag. It's really meta content. It's all content.
But they're desperate to use the meta data, somehow they're justified in collecting it without any warrants by the way, except the equivalent of a general order which is a violation to the constitution, the very thing we had in part a revolution over against the crown two hundred and forty years ago, here the meta data itself is somehow justified because oh it's not worse than that, meaning we need that because that's the only way we can figure out where the needles are except you're copying everything.
So it's not just meta data. But they're restricting even the conversation, even the president only talked when you really look at it, he only talked about mass collection of phone data and remember they said they don't have location information of subscriber, take a look at the Verizon order that was disclosed by Snowden through reporters and journalists. Meta data on a phone record by definition includes location and subscriber information.
That's the nature of meta data. This idea that they don't have it, oh maybe it's under that program they don't obtain it well they must obtain it by some other. That's like taking the white pages and cutting out the address and obviously there's a subscriber who has a location and a name. That's why you have look up tables.
R.K.: So wait, I just want to get back to one thing. You said that meta data has become a false flag. What do you mean by that?
T.D.: False flag because they desperately want the focus on the meta data, that's what is legal, they've built this very carefully constructed public story about why meta data is so crucial by putting all of this effort into the meta data of phone calls, guess what they get to continue to remain fired on, it's the content of the phone calls.
There was a huge break through at NSA some years ago, I was part of an early experiment, how do you auto translate digital communications? Voice recognition. I was a voice processing specialist. I was a crypto linguist. They do mass digital voice translation on an extraordinary scale. It's all done by machines, okay?
This is one of the things I have talked about this, I have said this before, they don't want this known because in essence one of the reasons they can hide behind it, well a person doesn't actually look at this stuff, we just leave it up to the algorithms to figure it out. We just run the search routines but those search routines that are run, there's only a few people that run those routines. Okay well I guess that's justification for the bulk collection of all this information.
Look. Meta data is, you have to understand the information here. This is why I get really frustrated, people in some ways like to be deliberately ignorant about information at large. All information has structure, right? You can't have meta data without content. Meta data is the index of the content.
R.K.: Right. Now Bill Binney-
T.D.: A body, I could argue, the body of an email I could argue the body is actually encapsulated as meta data. Whatever is in it is the content, right? Never mind what you call the header information but the content of it is in the body, the body and the attachments, okay? The existence of the attachment would be the meta data, what's in the attachment is the content. If the garbage can is recognized as a garbage can and there's no lock on the lid, all you have to do is open up the lid to see what's in it.
You know that it's garbage but you don't actually know what's in it but it's a garbage can. So you've identified the location, you know who owns it, you can even observe the stuff that's going into it. So what's the big deal you already have it. This is the issue here whether or not you've got the storage capacity to keep it. It's that simple.
Well that applies to phone calls although that's part of the technology revolution. We go from circuit based analog with fine waves to digital. It's all step functions, it's all discreet, zeroes and ones, that actually makes it far easier to translate because it's easier to do so. We have emails and credit card information and internet usage, these are, there's a whole host of other bulk copy collection programs that exist. It's not just phones.
As if somehow this is the whole issue now it's come down to phone meta data and it only, and it's a subset of the far richer set of even phone record meta data which by definition includes the subscriber information and the location. Either the physical address of a land line going to a particular spot or a cell phone which by definition you'll know exactly where it is based on cell tower records.
R.K.: Right. Bill Binney says that this data is shared with law enforcement in the US and that's a major abuse.
T.D.: Major abuse is an under statement. I mean, this, if you read his thing he talks about and there's some back and forth on this and others that I know, if you really look at it carefully, it only applies, say the violations but under the controls the procedures involved in criminal cases. Actual criminal cases and they can use it against informants, repurposing it.
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