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Rob Kall:  Alright. I lied.  One last question!  What's your take on how different things will be, whether Obama holds or Bishop Romney wins the Presidency?

Lawrence Wilkerson:

I don't know Romney at all.  I know President Obama from four years of experience with him.  I'm disappointed!  I'm disappointed he didn't close Guantanamo.  I'm elated that he said "we don't torture!"  I'm disappointed that he made a deal with the banks rather than essentially telling them "to put up or shut up."  I would have loved to have seen him nationalize a couple of them.  I'm disappointed that he didn't do more things to make America's role in the world a little more positive.  

For example, shutting down the drone strikes.  We've struck 348 times, I understand, with over four thousand casualties, half of them probably not even enemy.  People in Pakistan, for example, won't even go to a funeral or a wedding now.  They're too afraid of collecting and being killed by drones.  This is not a good policy, "policy by assassination."  People are going to start doing it to us.  And when they do that I'm going to watch carefully to see how we react, when a drone's flying over Manhattan or flying over Times Square, and we are affected the same way Pakistan is being affected right now.  Then Americans will suddenly understand what I'm talking about!  And believe me, there are other people in the world that have drones.  All of that said, I think that President Obama's record shows that he will be a more positive influence on all the things you and I have been talking about that should happen, than what I have seen from Mitt Romney would indicate he would be.

And second, about Mitt Romney, I am most discouraged to have seen how he shifted from the primary language to the actual campaign language, and almost completely reversed himself on almost every major issue.  I don't know where his backbone is!  I don't know where his spine is!  I don't know where his brain is!  And I'm not willing to run the risk of finding out, and not liking it.  

Rob Kall:  Hm!  Okay.  This is the Rob Kall Bottom-Up Radio Show. 

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We've been talking to Lawrence Wilkerson, former Chief of Staff to U.S. Secretary of State, Colin Powell.  Now he's an adjunct Professor of Government at the College of William and Mary.

The show's sponsored by  If you came in late in the show, you can go into iTunes, look for my name Rob Kall K-A-L-L, to download the interview and lots more. 

Thank so much for being on the show. I really hope that you're come back, because it's been a great conversation.

Lawrence Wilkerson:

Thanks for having me, Rob.  Appreciate it. 


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Rob Kall has spent his adult life as an awakener and empowerer-- first in the field of biofeedback, inventing products, developing software and a music recording label, MuPsych, within the company he founded in 1978-- Futurehealth, and founding, organizing and running 3 conferences: Winter Brain, on Neurofeedback and consciousness, Optimal Functioning and Positive Psychology (a pioneer in the field of Positive Psychology, first presenting workshops on it in 1985) and Storycon Summit Meeting on the Art Science and Application of Story-- each the first of their kind.  Then, when he found the process of raising people's consciousness and empowering them to take more control of their lives  one person at a time was too slow, he founded which has been the top search result on Google for the terms liberal news and progressive opinion for several years. Rob began his Bottom-up Radio show, broadcast on WNJC 1360 AM to Metro Philly, also available on iTunes, covering the transition of our culture, business and world from predominantly Top-down (hierarchical, centralized, authoritarian, patriarchal, big)  to bottom-up (egalitarian, local, interdependent, grassroots, archetypal feminine and small.) Recent long-term projects include a book, Bottom-up-- The Connection Revolution, debillionairizing the planet and the Psychopathy Defense and Optimization Project. 

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