Rob Kall: Now, Rachel Maddow wrote a book earlier this year called " Drift ' , that was about how the military has gotten so big it ' s really out of control, that nobody really can control.
Excellent book! You may have noted that I commented on the book inside the cover.
Rob Kall: Ah! Okay. No, I didn ' t notice that.
She sent the galleys to me, and I told her , " e xcellent book ' . She ' s spot on . S he ' s right. I wish she ' d gone even deeper into it. It ' s something that happens to E mpire almost automatically, and it something that happens to empires that get into fiscal problems, fiscal as in financial and economic, even more often. So , the two things kind of go hand - in - hand. And also if you look at history, and you look at what empires do when this sort of thing happens to them, more often than not, rather than retrench ing and revisiting their polic ies, and cutting back, the y usually just reinforce the failure . And again, as I said, that ' s scary, that ' s very scary . We do not need to be frittering away our power on the peripheries of our empire, by engaging our military in things like Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Iran, and so forth.
Rob Kall: Now, as being engaged as you were in the Joint Chiefs of Staff when Colin Powell directed it and you were his assistant, do the Joint Chiefs of Staff have a control over the military? Does anybody?
Part 2 of the interview continues here.