R So you're basically saying -- unfortunately
we're going to have to wrap this, and I'm not really satisfied with where we've
gone with this, but I want to kind of throw a couple of things out there. I think you've got something. There is a core of underlying destructive
malevolent evil that's involved in some of what we're dealing with now. I believe it is soulless, I think that it is
manifesting itself in the form of Corporate Power in many ways /
Andrew Schmookler:
That's in a big arena.
Rob Kall: -The
biggest, most powerful religions; not the spiritual beliefs, not the spiritual
practices, I think that's a whole different thing than these most powerful
religions that wield their power to build their wealth and their influence /
Andrew Schmookler:
Jerry Falwell's university is in the district in which I ran, I have
stories to tell. (laughs)
Rob Kall: I can
imagine. And, I believe that what you're
saying is that an awful lot of the people that are afflicted, and, in some
ways, who have their strings being pulled like puppets, are unconscious of it,
and need to be woken up.
Andrew Schmookler:
Yeah. I have no illusions about
how difficult that is. I've written a
piece called The Uncracked Nut, because Right Wing bubble didn't catch
just the density of the membrane around it.
So I think it is very difficult, I think it's a long term fight, but it
is a politically fruitful fight, and it is what, in districts like mine (and
that's one of my messages I'd like to take into the country), in red districts,
they're really not likely to be won by a Democrat anytime soon, the question
that should be asked is, "How do you make the campaign as effective as possible
in fighting the battle against this thing?"
If you don't have any realistic chance to win a seat, and I think that's
the case in my district, as [is] the case in a lot of districts around the
country, then you're behind enemy lines and you have an opportunity to ask
yourself the question, "How do we run a campaign that will change
consciousness? How do we use this
opportunity, the platform that you get, because it's a race for the
Congressional seat, and /"
Rob Kall: And I
would say that the question should not just be about a campaign - because I'm
frankly at the point where I don't believe that electoral politics is that
effective in producing significant change at this time - I would ask the question,
"I really like what you're saying, that we need to wake people up, we need to
change the consciousness, but why just do it through the campaigns?" We need to find a way to go into those deep
red districts and wake those people up, because they are in the land of the
deep, deep sleep. They are in trances
that have been produced by generations of stories, and we have to change the
stories they're living by.
Andrew Schmookler:
Well, and get them -- I mean, the some of the stories, some of the
patterns are OK, if they're able to discern the genuine profit from the wolf in
sheep's clothing. And the vulnerability,
the extent to which people are broken and are not honest with themselves, to
that extent they're really liable to the con of somebody who is pretending to
be somebody he is not. So, these are
vulnerabilities which vary in degrees among these people, but that is the
nature of the vulnerability that is being exploited.
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