R.K.: That's it!
P.L.: Who is a Chicago area activist and then there's another figure involved in this which is a journalist named Barret Brown and after Hammond posted the link, or he downloaded the material and put it up on Paste-in which means he posted it online and this was announced in some of the anonymous chat channels and then Barret Brown had a journalistic project in which he was crowd-sourcing the analysis of these data dumps from private intelligence companies and so he copied a link to that data dump in to the chat room for his editorial board and for that he is currently looking at a possible 105 years in prison. He's in federal custody in Texas right now.
R.K.: Yes, we just published an article about that recently in OpEd news.
P.L.: Oh wonderful.
R.K.: So, talk a little bit about Stratfor. You've used them as an example of irregular warfare on the American People. Can you give me a little background on Stratfor -
R.K.: Maybe there's another company that does that too?
P.L.: Yeah, well one of the first ones that people got in to was a company called H. B. Garry and they were hacked by Anonymous, I guess it's a couple years ago now and in that hack people found all kinds of information about plans to undermine the Chamber of Commerce, plans to undermine the credibility of Glen Greenwald, and they were very specific.
Things like, send Greenwald a fake document and when he publishes it then come out and say "oh it's a fake" and things like that. And then the list goes on. And when that hack came out that's when Barrett Brown's project which was called "Project PM" got in to gear and they started analyzing all the stuff that was in that hack. Then some months later, around six months later I suppose there was a hack of Stratfor which was a huge data dump. There was something like five million emails in that data dump and it was just mind blowing.
Let me just give you one simple example the crystallizes the whole thing. So in there Coca Cola approaches Stratfor and says "we're really concerned about PETA, the People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals. What do you have on PETA?" and then one of the people at Statfor says the FBI has a classified file on PETA, I'll see if I can get that. Now, let's think about everything that's wrong with that. First of all, why is Coca Cola concerned about PETA, second why are they going to Stratfor about that, third why does the FBI have a classified file on PETA and fourth, why does the guy in Stratfor know they have a classified file on PETA and fifth why does the guy think he can get it from the FBI? So it's almost like the FBI is working as a private dick for Stratfor?
R.K.: Yes, we know this, we know that the FBI and the CIA and all the government organizations are now outsourcing to private companies 40 -- 60% of the work that they're doing, at least.
P.L.: The number I've heard is 70%
R.K.: 70%? Okay.
P.L.: If you've seen the book by Tim Sherrock Private Intelligence Business, the claim is that of every ten dollars that we spend on intelligence, seven of those dollars are going to private contractors. Which is mind blowing!
R.K.:And if you look at that it makes sense why they would know that the FBI has whatever, they have become the FBI in a sense.
P.L.: Well they think so. You could read the emails from Stratfor which, the head of Stratfor is emailing the people in his company saying the CIA is, they know we're way ahead of them, we've shown them the way, they're trying to figure out how we do it, so they're basically bragging that at this point he's better and more powerful than the CIA.