Paul Craig Roberts: Right.
Rob Kall: That's" that's a term I haven't" I don't think I've heard before.
Paul Craig Roberts: Well that's the process that's been going on in the United States, for ten, twenty years.
Rob Kall: This is how we're moving towards third world nation status?
Paul Craig Roberts: Yeah. well, if you look at many of the statistics now, they reflect that. Of course we have the worst income distribution, not only of any country you would think of as "first world'. But it's worse than many third world countries! I don't have the numbers in front of me, but I've written about it, and I'm sure the columns are on my site, www.paulcraigroberts.org. Or you can simply Google them. Even the CIA, which produces rankings of income distribution, shows that there are many African countries [laughing] with more equal distribution income than we do.
So" all of this produces concentration of wealth at the top that we haven't seen in a century. It produces" it destroys careers, opportunities. And it destroys the reason for colleges and universities, because when the graduates get out, they can't get a job, because the jobs that they're trained for have all gone offshore. So they're left with" with big loans and no jobs, and then the loans are turned over to bill collectors who harass them for the rest of their life. So, the country is declining socially, politically"
Scripps Howard: I call it strip mining"
Paul Craig Roberts: " economically.
Scripps Howard: " I call it the "strip mining' of the middle class.
Paul Craig Roberts: Yeah. Well, that's a good term. That's a good term for it.
Rob Kall: So you don't sound very hopeful?
Paul Craig Roberts: Well it's hard to be hopeful if you" understand what's going on, and you see how it's intentionally just avoided, and how the news stays away from it. And how even the academics are, most of them, are afraid to mention it because their grants to the department from the corporations will go down. And they're get hounded by their colleagues and told to shut up and" you see its kind of like Marx said, as you know, money turns everything into a commodity'. Everything ends up bought and sold-- honor, truth, justice. And I think that's what's happening to us, that we're" I don't mean that we were ever pure, anything like that" but I think that" the constraints of all bad behavior and bad decisions, have fallen away to the point that that's all you can get now, is bad behavior, bad decisions. They're probable"
Rob Kall: [interjecting] Now" I believe" I call my radio show "The Bottom-Up Radio Show', because I believe that we're in a transition stage from a "top-down' to a "bottom-up' world. That for a million years, humans in tribal indigenous cultures were bottom-up primarily in the way they related with each other. Then agricultural and civilization came along, and brought about centralization and hierarchy, and top-down forces that took over and dominated the world. And that now the internet is changing things around. I think that there are huge forces at work that are bottom-up and that offer some hope, but I also think that the top-down powers are going to fight harder than ever to hold onto and consolidate their powers. The occupied Wall Street movement, the Arab Spring are examples of how some big powers have actually been toppled and taken down. Although of course in some cases, they did not use those changes in ways that we'd have liked to have seen.
What do you think about all that?
Paul Craig Roberts: Well, I think of that you say is" is the model that's operating now. you know. I think the trouble, with being very hopeful about the success of bottom-up is that it's un-organized. And the powers to be now are putting in place, legislation, and that's controlling the internet. In other words, if they decide for example, that a website has impermissible information on it, then it simply gets banned from the internet. So that they can" what they're" what they're working now is taking over the internet the way they've taken over the print and TV media. That, what get's printed is what they approve of, or fits the storylines. So I don't think we can count on the internet keeping its independence, because the powers that be have learned that it's a threat, and so they will move against it, and they've got the power to do that. And they'll find" what they'll do they'll tell us they're doing this to protect the internet'. And umh most people will suddenly say, "oh yeah, we've got to be protected on the internet!' "We've got to be protected from terrorists, so we have to give up all our rights'.
So I don't" I'm not too optimistic that" that that part will succeed. And also we see the control mechanisms from the top are getting more and more aggressive and intimidating. The, the "drones' that are now being issued to local police departments. So that, you know, the local police departments now can spy on whoever they want with these drones and assassinate and eliminate whoever they want with the drones. And this is a fantastic control mechanism, and which completely negates the Second Amendment.