VB: Class warfare, no. No, I haven't heard that yet. I do want to say this, that I'm much older than you, and in the America that I grew up in, we've always had the far right, but in my day they were on the fringes. They were an embarrassment. They were an absolute embarrassment to people like Eisenhower, Nixon, Ford, even the first President Bush. But now they've taken over the party. They've always been out there, but they used to be on the fringes, and they've taken over now.
Since Bush is a conservative Republican and so are they, anything he does, anything at all, including murder, is just fine with them, just fine. Can you imagine what these people would be doing to Clinton if Clinton had done the same identical thing that Bush did with respect to Iraq? They would be skinning him alive if they had a chance. So these are phony, despicable human beings. They've taken over the party. They've terrified the nation. And I went off on a riff, but I think they are the ones responsible for my being blacked out, the fear of the right in America.
Now, you talk about corporations. That's true, but what about -- and I'm not going to mention names right now, although in due time I'm going to out these people either on TV or radio or in the second edition of this book. And they know who they are. What about the people out there who are members of the left who are not terrified of the right and they call Bush a murderer, a criminal and everything else? If it was all corporate, why would their corporations permit them to do that, would they permit them to do that? And these people are not having me on either.
MC: The people on the left?
VB: They're on the left. They're not afraid of the right. This is a small group of people, and they won't have me on either. These are the people with whom I'm very angry, very angry. I'm not angry with the liberal people who are frightened of the far right, because I'm not in a position to be angry with someone who's terrified. I don't respect them, necessarily, but I'm not angry with them, because they're frightened. They're terrified of their own shadow. But I am angry with those who are not terrified of the right and their corporations apparently -- the ones who are in charge or own the network they're with (which) apparently is not handcuffing them -- or what would the word be -
MC: Gagging.
VB: Gagging is the word. They're not gagging them, and yet they won't have me on either.
MC: Right. Well, it's self censorship perhaps, or self preservation. I heard Orson Welles years ago, and this is a partial quote, but he said: 'In Europe during World War II, people betrayed their friends to save their lives. In America, during the McCarthy era, people betrayed their friends to save their swimming pools." I've never forgotten that. They may take a pay cut, they may not get to ride in the jet next to the chairman, but the point you bring up is absolutely vital in that you're talking about people, all of those around him (Bush), serving him and saying, "I guess this is just -- this is what happens during a war."
VB: That's what they say. I have talked to conservative acquaintances of mine, and I say, "Do you feel bad at all?" Because I do. Whenever I hear of Iraqis or Americans getting killed over there, it immediately depresses me. I said, "If you hear about a hundred innocent Iraqi civilians in a mosque or a market blown to pieces over there, don't you get upset?" "No, no." they say. "Why? That's what happens during wartime." Let me tell you about these people. I don't want to embarrass them, but I can tell you -- I can give you a 99 percent guarantee they don't even care when American soldiers are blown to pieces. They don't care.
But they don't want to bring him to justice, and they don't want to give me a voice to bring him to justice. So, no, you're right. There are millions of Americans that (would be) supportive of what I'm doing, if they knew about it. I would say that 90 percent of American people don't know this book is even out there.
MC: Well, maybe the answer to that is in this: the mainstream media has deliberately censored, as badly as Bush has, the truth about Iraq all along. Yet today 70 percent of the people oppose that (war). Where did they get the information? They got it from friends and family who got it from the Internet and from union halls and from discussions. The Internet is really, as you're finding out, a powerful alternative.
VB: Well, I find out indirectly, because people print stuff off of the Internet and they send it to me. But I don't have a computer myself. But I do get stuff from the Internet all the time.
Next - a look at CNN's hatchet job of their interview with Vincent Bugliosi
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The Prosecution of George W. Bush for Murder by Vincent Bugliosi Vanguard Press
