Chris: The main idea that stands in between the domestic antiwar movement today and the successful movement that will end this war is that "protest doesn't matter." Or some variant of that argument. As I'm fond of saying here in North America's only city built on an Isthmus, had you made this argument in 1965, you would have been laughed into one of the lakes. The Civil Rights Movement had just crushed Jim Crow and the movements were growing, commanding more and more attention with each passing year. That's not to say that it was "up--up-and-away" but rather that victory inspires. Since the 1970s few inspirational victories weigh heavily on the memory. That's why we look to other movements - such as the Immigrant Rights movement which successfully defeated the Sensenbrenner bill last year. Further, we look to the other movements against this war. Specifically, the soldier's movement to end the occupation and the Iraqis' movement to boot the occupiers.

Todd: Yes, more direct action is needed. The representatives of this country including the now majority Democrats have shown a blatant disregard when it comes to ending the occupation. Having large groups come in to their offices and make simple requests like ours are crucial in getting them to see that the people are against the occupation. While I don't like lobbying Congress they have to be reminded who they represent.

I think that our protests while they are very good for the movement are often not as effective as possible. One there are too many issues being addressed to clearly get our message across to the public who doesn't come. We need more actions which are coordinated across the country and need to better utilize the media to get our message effectively across to the general public.

One thing we have done in IVAW is Operation First Casualty. (Guerrilla theatre that is attempting to bring the reality of the war home. -Ron) The first one of these occurred right after the March 17th demonstrations. Through working with the media to get our message out there, our story was featured in the Washington Post. We have help who have worked with us to get in contact with the proper media contacts to get the story properly represented in the media.

Chris: The movement is growing, but unless it is unlike every movement in the history of movements, it will suffer setbacks ahead. I don't know what the impacts of the 2008 elections will be, but things like presidential campaigns can tend to have a dampening effect on movements. That said, disappointed expectations may prove to be explosive. I have at times felt that what we were doing was "going nowhere" as you put it. But a good boxer learns more from losses than from victories. A growing number of us are in the ring to stay.

Ron: Speaking of frustration, do you sometimes feel like your work on campus is going nowhere? Or do you feel like the movement in Madison (especially among folks around your age) is growing?

Bernadette: I am frustrated with our government’s policies, and with the willfully ignorant, not with the production of the campus anti war network. Like I said, I am new to CAN, and so far I haven’t been disappointed, I’ve been impressed and encouraged, by a lot of brilliant students. Also, since I’ve been involved, the past couple months or so, I’ve seen an increase of interests and numbers at our meetings. It’s rather exciting.

Zach: (We are) Most definitely growing! I believe my other statements answer this question quite nicely. I'm very pleased with CAN in this respect, and we're certainly not done yet!

Todd: No! I don't feel frustrated. I believe the movement is growing.

Josh: I guess I haven't been a part of the movement for long enough to start becoming cynical. Pretty much everyone I talk to seems receptive to our message and I've been impressed and surprised by the the enthusiasm for our cause expressed by many people.

Ron: There are now at least two or three national youth and student groups involved in protesting the war--SDS, Campus Antiwar Network (CAN) and the National Youth and Student Peace Coalition. Is there coordination among these groups? Are there major differences? If so, can you elucidate?

Chris: CAN's emphasis is on working with all student organizations - and non-student organizations, for that matter - who are organizing against the war. And we have organized jointly with SDS and NYSPC. We look forward to future collaboration.

Todd: No, there needs to be coordination between the groups since the youth are obviously against the war in larger numbers. I am not that familiar with NYSPC but from what I know about SDS and CAN they are democratic and seem to be doing pretty much the same things.

Zach: I know that several members of our group are in communication with SDS, and we do try to plan national events with the national branches of Campus Antiwar Network, which in turn communicates with SDS for coordination. However, I don't know about NYSPC - they're a relative unknown to me.

Ron: Well, summer is coming up and school will be out for the year. What are your political plans for the summer?

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