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March 25, 2008 at 11:43:01

Re: Of Mamet And Chicago. Of Obamas And Elections

by Lawrence Velvel     Page 4 of 4 page(s)

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            But as to what Obama really thinks despite his toing and froing on Wright, who knows?  It is admittedly a little hard to believe that someone who has lived for years with a woman who holds the views his wife holds, does not share those views to some major extent.  It is also hard to believe he does not share to a significant extent the views of a pastor whose church he went to for so long and to whom he apparently was close.  In fact, in the circumstances it might be thought somewhat disgraceful and hypocritical for Obama to have thrown Wright under the bus at all, let alone as much as he did.

 

            Maybe, however, people ought to focus on a different point.  Assume, as I do, that Obama agrees extensively with his wife and his long time pastor.  Then the significant point might be that he seems willing to rise above, to put aside, bitter if justified views, and to work for and seek common meeting grounds.  I know that I can’t and wouldn’t rise above and put aside the justified bitter views about what this too yahoo country has been and done.  As for other candidates, Hillary Clinton claims she wants to change things, but can’t even admit she ever made a mistake, and is a known dissembler for advantage, if not an outright liar like her husband.  Is that what you want for President?  As for McCain, he not only has done bad things when he thought it would help him (viz. the Keating business, joining Bush’s war by beating its drums in the last year or two), but proclaims that he will do more of the same -- the 100 year war, for example.  Is that what you want for President?  Especially when, as Bill Maher said, and as is so common in McCain’s (and my) generation, he seems to believe in war as the natural state of things. 

 

            So maybe the crucial point is not what Obama believes in his heart of hearts, but the fact that he seems willing to rise above what he thinks there, in the interest of a greater good.

 

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            There is one thing, however, that Obama has never shown any sign of believing, but which one thinks essential.  It is not something any current candidate has ever given any sign of believing, although it is a lead pipe cinch America will never change in the long run without it.  The failure of change without it is a lead pipe cinch because, over the long run, America never has changed without it since the days of Jackson -- it never has changed without it despite the crookedness of the gilded age, of the 1920s, of the Johnsonian, Nixonian, Kissingerian days, of the Reagan Administration’s Iran Contra mess, of Bush II’s criminality, etc.  What I am speaking of is the necessity, alluded to earlier, that the people who lie, cheat, steal, rob the middle class, defy laws of war and American domestic law about war, be prosecuted, be put in the slammer, and go to the gallows, when and if found guilty of a crime.  Unless and until this starts being done, and I stress the need for the gallows when the crime warrants it, we will never be without major crooks, without causers of major disasters, in big business, in government, in economics and in war.  Indeed, people like this are preening now, are not so secretly delighted now, because they got rid of their nemesis Spitzer due to his own recklessness, stupidity, arrogance, unhappiness at home, or whatever it was that caused him to do things that were simply a disaster waiting to happen.  Nor has there been much comment on what seems to be the somewhat unusual steps taken by the FBI to insure (ala Don Riegelman and others?) that this thorn in the side of big business and Republicans be removed from public life. 

 

            The fundamental point remains that unless and until we start putting those who effed over scores of millions of us in the slammer for years on end -- and not in one of those federal hotel type slammers either, but in real slammers -- and unless and until we start sending the even worse criminal warmongers and torture mongers to the gallows, we will in the long run keep getting more of the same.  We will recoil from one disaster only to find ourselves facing a similar economic or warmongering disaster five or ten or twenty years from now.  As to the economic and business side of it, by now nobody needs persuading that one disaster can and does follow another.  As for the war mongering side, who, if he or she lived through Viet Nam, would have thunk it could happen again, yet Bush and Cheney and their fellow mental dwarfs saw to it that it did.

 

            Obama gives no sign about accepting, let alone believing, any of this.  Nor, being a practical politician, does he ever talk about it.  Nor, one is sure, does he want to talk about it lest yahoos have a field day on behalf of Clinton and McCain.  It is up to those who are willing to accept the Chicagoesque but non-American habit of truth and straight talk to keep pushing this, to push it so as to prepare the ground for it if and after Obama is elected, while hoping for such election because Obama does seem the only candidate likely to change much of the abhorrent in this country.  But a permanent shift away from the abhorrent -- here no less than in countries which once were dire threats to a decent world but now seem at least as good democracies as we are, if not perhaps even better ones, Germany and Japan -- will require prosecution and maximum punishment of those responsible for the criminal disasters.*

  
* This posting represents the personal views of Lawrence R. Velvel.  If you wish to comment on the post, on the general topic of the post, or on the comments of others, you can, if you wish, post your comment on my website, VelvelOnNationalAffairs.com.  All comments, of course, represent the views of their writers, not the views of Lawrence R. Velvel or of the Massachusetts School of Law.  If you wish your comment to remain private, you can email me at Velvel@mslaw.edu.   

VelvelOnNationalAffairs is now available as a podcast.  To subscribe please visit VelvelOnNationalAffairs.com, and click on the link on the top left corner of the page.   The podcasts can also be found on iTunes or at www.lrvelvel.libsyn.com 

 

In addition, one hour long television book shows, shown on Comcast, on which Dean Velvel, interviews an author, one hour long television panel shows, also shown on Comcast, on which other MSL personnel interview experts about important subjects, conferences on historical and other important subjects held at MSL, presentations by authors who discuss their books at MSL, a radio program (What The Media Won’t Tell You) which is heard on the World Radio Network (which is on Sirrus and other outlets in the U.S.), and an MSL journal of important issues called The Long Term View, can all be accessed on the internet, including by video and audio.  For TV shows go to: www.mslaw.edu/about_tv.htm; for book talks go to:  www.notedauthors.com; for conferences go to:  www.mslawevents.com; for The Long Term View go to: www.mslaw.edu/about­_LTV.htm; and for the radio program go to: www.velvelonmedia.com.

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Lawrence R. Velvel is the Dean of the Massachusetts School of Law, which educates the working class, mid-life people, minorities and immigrants. He is the editor of a journal called The Long Term View, hosts an hour-long TV book show called Books of Our Time, which appears in the New England and Mid-Atlantic states on Comcast's CN8 and is streamed on the internet, and hosts a radio program called What The Media Doesn’t Tell You.  The radio program, which is carried on World Radio Network and is streamed on the internet, discusses important matters which the media doesn’t disclose (or insufficiently discloses) and the reasons for the nondisclosure.

Velvel wrote a 1970 book on the constitutionality of the Viet Nam War and civil disobedience, and a recent quartet called Thine Alabaster Cities Gleam, comprised of:  Misfit In America; Trail of Tears; The Hopes and Fears of Future Years: Loss and Creation; and The Hopes and Fears of Future Years: Defeat and Victory.

Velvel blogs at velvelonnationalaffairs.com. His 2004 and 2005 posts have been published in Blogs From the Liberal Standpoint: 2004-2005.

 

 

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Mark Sashine is an engineer and a writer. Working hard in trying to love and understand the new country he has to live in.
Mark SashineMark Sashine is an engineer and a writer. Working hard in trying to love and understand the new country he has to live in.

This is perfect

I will dispute that only Chicagoans speak the truth but  otherwise.. perfect score, really.

by Mark Sashine (38 articles, 19 quicklinks, 221 diaries, 3074 comments) on Tuesday, March 25, 2008 at 12:57:41 PM
 


Mark Sashine is an engineer and a writer. Working hard in trying to love and understand the new country he has to live in.
Mark SashineMark Sashine is an engineer and a writer. Working hard in trying to love and understand the new country he has to live in.

from Jew to Jew

In the former Soviet Russia after graduating with honors in 1979 from an engineering school I was blatantly denied the privilege of all the other cum- laudas- that is to choose the place of the job.   They just did not let me do that. I was put in the same line of forced job assignment as all the other masses.  No biggie,  I suppose.

BTW, I do not feel much grudge against them anymore although I  do not live there. But I understand the feeling...

It was remarkable to read this article and to feel the so well -known feelings.  But  I again have to say that Chicagoans do not have a privilege of telling the truth directly: we all can do that.  And  although  Michelle Obama is from Chicago, so is Mayor Daley.  So is Billy from ' Chicago' and so is Arthuro Ui from Brecht's ' The Career of Arthuro Ui'.  Go figure.

We are all from there and we are all from Kiev, Ukraine, where I was born and we are all from Dublin and from  Shanghai. We are all connected and when God blesses or curses America, we all are affected. So, may God have mercy on our souls.

 

by Mark Sashine (38 articles, 19 quicklinks, 221 diaries, 3074 comments) on Tuesday, March 25, 2008 at 2:28:09 PM
 


Midwesterner, veteran of VietNam era naval service, I still feel an obligation to defend the Constitution against "all enemies, foreign and domestic."
John Sanchez Jr.Midwesterner, veteran of VietNam era naval service, I still feel an obligation to defend the Constitution against "all enemies, foreign and domestic."

As one hailing from Greater Chicago...

I agree that there is that straight talk as a rule, occasionally used as a weapon or insult. But it does appear in other parts of the country, in areas where the "cream" of society has no contact except to fly over. In Chicago itself, the top tier of society has as great a capacity as anywhere else for self delusion that is understood to be good manners and good breeding.

For my part, I welcome the level talk. It may sting from time to time, but one always knows where they stand.

by John Sanchez Jr. (2 articles, 0 quicklinks, 3 diaries, 646 comments) on Tuesday, March 25, 2008 at 3:11:58 PM
 

 

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