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Matthew Fox:   It has a real place to play, because Atheism helps us to criticize, frankly, the idols of religion.  Like I talked earlier about Papalolatry, which happens when television takes over the Vatican.  So, I think Atheism has it's place for sure. 

But there are many kinds of Atheism, you know, we think there's only one kind.  It's like Protestantism, there's all versions of it.  Some Atheism is anti-Theism.  Theism says God is up in the sky, and the rest of us live here.  So I'm an anti-Theist also.  I call my perspective Pan-entheism:  Everything is in God, and God is in everything.  That makes me an anti-Theist.  So from that point of view, I would be an Atheist. 

Meister Eckhart, one of the great Christian mystics, a Dominican like I was, says, "I pray God to rid me of God."  So if that's not close to Atheism, I don't know what is.  So in a way, questioning our God is something we all have to do, and Atheists are on that track.  Now, you know, some atheists, some of these people making big bucks by going on television and publishing books and all - I'm not impressed by the amount of Ego in a lot of that.

But there's a brilliant book on Atheism that came out from a Swiss fellow last year, it's been a big seller in Europe, it's a beautiful book.  And he says, actually, the atheists should (laughs) accomplish what Christians have accomplished.  They should better education, better architecture; he praises the Gothic buildings in cathedrals in Europe.  These Christians, these believers, really accomplished a lot, that we're not coming close to accomplishing in our more Secular culture today.

Rob Kall:  What's the book?  We've got to wrap, so what's that book and the author?

Matthew Fox:   I apologize, I can't remember the exact name of it now, but...

Rob Kall:   All right, well then let's move on.  Before we wrap, which I've got to do right away, do you have a website?

Matthew Fox:   I do have a website: .  Very simple.  Two T's.

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Rob Kall:   All right.  This has been a great conversation.  Thank you so much, but hold on a minute.

Matthew Fox:   Thank you for your wonderful questions.  Here is the book!  Religion for Atheists, by Alain de Botton.

Rob Kall:   Religion for Atheists.   OK, great.  Thank you.

Matthew Fox:   Real good book.  Beautiful Book.

Rob Kall:   OK.

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