Dennis Kucinich: Well, she didn't work independently of Barack Obama. The fact of the matter is that the United States has extended aggression into many countries: into Pakistan, into Libya, into Somalia and other countries; and that's through the cooperation of the State Department, the Department of Defense, and the CIA. Do I, Did I support that policy? No! Absolutely not. But this is a policy that's set by the Obama administration, together with the State Department, the Central Intelligence, and the Department of Defense.
Rob Kall: (interjects) So...
Dennis Kucinich: I want to point something out Rob. (continues) And in some cases, if you take Libya for example, DoD, through Secretary Gates, opposed it. He opposed it. So, the policy is still going to be set by the White House and the Secretary of State is going to carry it out. She doesn't work independently, but she did have great influence. No question about it.
Rob Kall: So basically, when people say, "She's been an incredible Secretary of State," she's basically been graded following Obama's war orders, and what have you.
Dennis Kucinich: That's what a cabinet member does!
Rob Kall: Yeah, yeah.