Rob Kall: That's a good place to leave it. This is the Rob Kall Bottom Up Radio Show. I've been speaking with Staughton Lynd. If you've just caught the end of this, the podcast will be available at Opednews.com/Podcasts , or go to my name, Rob Kall, at iTunes, and you can download it there. Staughton, do you have a website that would like people to know about, or anything else that you want to say?
Staughton Lynd: Well, I'm sort of computer stupid, but my email address is firstname.lastname@example.org . S-A, that's for Staughton and Alice, L-Y-N-D, at AOL, and I'd be interested in hearing from anyone.
Rob Kall: OK. Hang on a second, though. That's about the end of where the on air part of the radio show goes, but for the podcast we can keep this going, and I wanted to ask you a couple more questions.
Staughton Lynd: OK. Five minutes worth. (laughs)
Rob Kall: OK. You said that you're a bottom up historian. What do you mean by that?
Staughton Lynd: Well, I 'mean by that' that there were a few of us: Jesse Lemisch, who wrote about sailors; the late Alfred Young, who died last fall, who wrote about the people who made up the so-called mob in Pre-revolutionary Boston. Most of us happened to be historians of the American Revolution, and to quote one of Jesse's essays, "We ask the question, who built the pyramids? What were their lives like? What has it been for ordinary people through history?" And that became known as "History from Below," or "History from Bottom Up."
Rob Kall: Now that's kind of what Howard Zinn got into, also.
Staughton Lynd: Yes it is, and the greatest single example of that is the first chapter of his Peoples History, where he describes Columbus arriving at the home of the Arawak Indians, and what Columbus did to them.
Rob Kall: I know I've got to let you go, but I would love to be able to reconnect with you and talk about this with you further. I'm writing a book called Bottom Up, and I'm looking at it going back to before humans did farming and started large states, because I think back at the time of bands and tribes, humans were all bottom up, and that's the way we lived - without hierarchy, without centralization.
Staughton Lynd: I've tried to put into words the historical theory of the New Movement, and I think it's exactly the one you describe. When people settled down to Agriculture and produced an economic surplus, then you could have a central government, then you could have taxes, then you could have armies, and that's when the whole thing started to go to hell. (laughs)
Rob Kall: Yes.
Staughton Lynd: I'll look forward to your book.
Rob Kall: And hopefully I can connect again with you sometime. Thank you so much! It's really been a pleasure and an honor to speak with you.
Staughton Lynd: Please. We are at this number and this email, and we don't plan to move anytime soon.
Rob Kall: OK, thank you.
Staughton Lynd: Allrighty. Bye-bye, now.