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October 12, 2008 at 22:23:27
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Capitalism, Initially Condemned in Scriptures As Immoral, Proves Itself So. Let's Dump It! Our present scare of suffering from a bankrupt fraudulent banking system run by amoral capitalists in cahoots with their corrupted and complicit cronies in government points to a climate of immorality, arrogance and mindless uncontrolled violence within our accepted modes of predatory capitalist society: a society guilty of crimes against humanity, hypocritically claimed as victories over evil and backwardness in the Third World.
Overwhelmingly responsible for the basic dishonesty of the American led globalization race to commoditize the natural resources of the entire world for private profit is the public's omniscient teacher, conglomerate owned and cartelized entertainment/news media - a corporate interest serving industry that reaches down into elementary schools and molds the disinformation from which sermons are given from pulpits all over the nation.
Though we all still have that kernel of truth dormant inside us, ostensibly taught us by all our religions, namely, that usury is sinful to the highest degree, Big Brother commercial media has long glossed over and buried this moral teaching in a pile of kitsch and desperate pleasure seeking selfishness promotion.
But even this atheist can recall the many injunctions and exhortations for sane behavior found in religious scripture regarding injurious practices of capital accumulation, e.g.
In Hebrew belief:
"The Torah and Talmud encourage the granting of loans, but only if it doesn't involve interest, with certain exceptions. Charging interest is classed in the Book of Ezekiel as being among the worst sins, and is forbidden according to Jewish law. The Talmud dwells particularly on Ezekiel's condemnation of interest, where Ezekiel denounces it as an abomination, and metaphorically portrays usurers as people who have shed blood.
In The Bible,
The Torah expresses regulations against the charging of interest in the Exodus 22:25-27, Leviticus 25:36-37 and Deuteronomy 23:20-21. In Leviticus loans themselves are encouraged, whether of money or food, emphasizing that they enable the poor to regain their independence, but, like the other two places in the Bible, forbids the charging of interest on the loan. All three places state that the charging of interest is exploitative. In Exodus and Deuteronomy it is clear that it would be acceptable to charge interest on any loan to a non-Israelite. [from Wikipedia article on usury]"And from The Qur'an,
"Those who charge usury are in the same position as those controlled by the devil's influence. This is because they claim that usury is the same as commerce. However, GOD permits commerce, and prohibits usury. ... As for those who persist in usury, they incur Hell, wherein they abide forever" [2:275]
Consider what misanthropic unfairness the world puts up in the name of 'practical economics':
Firstly, private finance capitalists are forced by competition to base almost every and all endeavor for wealth accumulation on usury at the highest rate socially bearable while secondly, seeking to artificially arrange situations wherein from a pool of the landless, captive citizens are forced to into acceptance of the duress of forced labor at the mercy of usurers, who, with the cooperation of government, manage to compound usury further by lending and purchasing with money they do not actually posses; money that does not exist except fictitiously; money created through the issuance of certificates backed by only by a fraction of the trading value of such certificates but deviously and deceptively recognized as legal tender by governments whose officials are cronies of capitalists and complicit participants in their unjust and kleptomaniac system of the financial domination of all Mankind within their reach.
Thomas Jefferson warned America in the 1809 Debate Over The Re-charter Of The Bank Bill,
"I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies . . . If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around [the banks] . . . will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered . . . The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs."And an elucidating in depth 1937 warning from Lord Josiah Stamp, after serving many years as Director of The Bank of England,
"The modern banking system manufactures money out of nothing. The most astounding piece of sleight of hand ever invented. If you want to be slaves of bankers, and pay the costs of your own slavery, let the banks create money. Banking was conceived in iniquity and was born in sin. The bankers own the earth. Take it away from them, but leave them the power to create money, and with the flick of the pen they will create enough deposits to buy it back again. However, take it away from them, and all the great fortunes like mine will disappear and they ought to disappear, for this would be a happier and better world to live in. But, if you wish to remain the slaves of bankers and pay the cost of your own slavery, let them continue to create money."With the near monopoly on dissemination of news and information exercised by conglomerate owned media, it is logical and intentional that ninety-nine percent of the citizenry believe that the Federal Reserve is a real government institution. The word 'Federal' was purposely and misleadingly placed in its title. What kind of Reserve? A government reserve and lender of last resort? No! Federal Reserve Banks are privately owned.
"The Federal Reserve System virtually controls the nation's monetary system, yet it is accountable to no one. It has no budget; it is subject to no audit; and no Congressional Committee knows of, or can truly supervise, its operations." [Murray N. Rothbard, economist and academic advisor of the Ludwig von Mises Institute]
The Chairman of the Federal Reserve, appointed by the President of the United States, is the link that wields together private capital and government.
Was Fed Chairman Alan Greenspan for years shaping the present melt down as a dedicated follower of Ayn Rand, whose amoral philosophy of 'enlightened selfishness' is said to have appealed to Greenspan more than the free-market skepticism of John Maynard Keynes[*]?
Today's captive TV, radio, newspaper, magazine and tabloid audiences have been sold the same bill of goods over and over again; that capitalism is the bringer of the amenities and material benefits presently enjoyed by the top quarter of the world's population and a promise of eventual trickle-down future prosperity for the exploited three fourths of Mankind. The cruel and harsh policies of the International Monetary Fund and World Bank are explained away and justified as a temporary and necessary suffering on the way to panacea and utopia by capitalism's darling double-talking denier of the U.S. history of high protective tariffs, Milton Friedman.
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Unfortunately, the Church Loves Money
Many, like me, believe this epoch to be the end times but the organized church has transformed itself into synagogues of satan. Scriptural and spiritual guidance are missing. The church and evangelism are avenues for money-making careers, not labors of love. Prosperity gospels and blessings are usuriously exchanged for that 10 per cent of your income If you compare -- or better yet record -- their private behavior to that of their public persona, the discrepancy is outright schizophrenic. That's why the current batch of church leaders will not, and can not offer a soothing balm to a hurting world. by Mathew Maavak (9 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 12 comments [1 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Monday, Oct 13, 2008 at 7:06:00 AM  (0+)
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Misers
The big secret is out. Politicians and the media were hiding the fact that American households have a net worth of over 56 trillion dollars. That is more than half the household wealth of the world. Those statistics come from the Federal reserve Flow of Funds Summary Statistics Second Quarter 2008. If there was a way to get the hoarders of those bucks to go on a long shopping spree the recession in the U.S. would quickly end. But our politicians fear talking to those idle saving account owners and their potential to stimulate our economy, they would rather increase the national debt than anger millions of cheap voters. Consumer spending determines the health of the economy not inflationary government handouts. Until some miserly Americans start digging into their over loaded bank accounts and start spending money our recession will continue indefinitely. by melpol (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 28 comments) on Monday, Oct 13, 2008 at 7:26:55 AM (0+)
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Reply: As If
As If that $56 Trillion were in negotiable assets. There are not $56 Trillion dollars to spend. Much of those assets are the paper loans on real estate. We can't spend our land or houses, but those who tried to with home-equity loans are certainly feeling the pain of their sin now. by UncleSim (1 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 514 comments [74 recommended, 3 rejected]) on Monday, Oct 13, 2008 at 2:02:10 PM (0+)
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Capitalism Big Lie
Prosperity is not a consequence of Capitalism, it being just a strategy for hoarding the fruits of prosperity in a few hands entitled to it by "divine right". That's why Capitalism is inseparable from the Churches. It needs them to legitimize the strategy... 1929... It was thirteen years later when I was born... And less than 3 or 4 % of the world population was born before that fateful year... We are loosing the memory of how it was and it is being replaced by the mythology of the Great Depression. But the truth was that the big crash, was an extended one, which started in the early 1929 and continued until sometime into the 1930's. Actually the turn around didn't occur until 1935.... And by that time the wealth of the stock markets had been reduced to a third of what it had been at the end of 1928... Looking at the fundamentals which were working at that time, we can see that they haven't changed that much. Technology updated the costumes, but the characters are pretty much the same... The reality is that paper wealth is still paper wealth and when we take our focus away from the real productive activities and focus on accounting gimmicks, the results will always show us our follies... Markets in Asia and Europe are apparently bouncing back, but it is likely it will be short lived and we will sink deeper as the time goes on... Only a real stimulus geared to get us working again and producing real goods will correct the present conditions... We injected obscene amounts of newly printed money to thaw the financial and investment markets, but the unemployment keeps going up with a catastrophic impact on our communities, and natural events and disasters are contributing to the bad situation. So the world will look like it's getting better, but once the paper is digested, it will resume the downward spiral... Some say that there is a Conspiracy of the Banks, actually, there aren't conspiracies in the strict sense of this concept. There are Banks, and the result of their activities, geared to optimize the profit of their shareholders and the rewards of their officers and directors, will always make it appear as that it had to be some kind of collusion... We have to understand Banks. We have two kinds... One is the neighborhood bank. Not different from the communities' warehouses storing the accumulated food to where the members would go when their own home boards were depleted... and save the day until the next crop... The other is the Templar Knights invention, the one that stores nothing but moves wealth from one region to another... it is based on trust not on wealth. And we had events in the last thousand years showing us time and again and again that we cannot relax our vigilance and blindly trust anybody. These times aren't different from what had happened other dozen times in the last couple centuries, except for the severity of the blow... No matter the political system or religious setting, what created our prosperity was always the same thing: I made or produced something that others needed, and others produced or made something I needed. And we traded... This simple concept gets utterly lost in the gimmicks of Accounting. Which is why even a concept of sharing our resources to put together a productive activity gets bastardized by the so called Capitalism, which isn't even a real philosophy. Just a collection of excuses for skimming the wealth produced by the community without any contribution to the process... Remembering the real basics gives us in stark clarity which is the path to follow to correct our problems... by Frank Rommey (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 8 comments [3 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Monday, Oct 13, 2008 at 8:51:36 AM (0+)
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Fantastic Biblical Argument
Your article is a great argument against usury, but not against Capitalism. If both Jewish and Christian texts allow interest to be charged to outsiders, then it would seem that charging interest is not inherently wrong, but that it should simply not be charged to friends, family, or like-minded countrymen. The good Christian or Jew, in order to prevent the sin of charging such interest, should refrain from depositing their savings into banks that lend at interest, and should instead invest their savings in productive ventures that will better employ, feed, clothe, and house their neighbors. Remember the parable of the talents given to three men. We are not supposed to hide our assets, but to use them productively. The one who accumulates enough capital to lend has shown himself to be more productive and efficient than those who seek loans, therefore a loan does less good than an investment in future production. I think that was the lesson you were getting at. by UncleSim (1 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 514 comments [74 recommended, 3 rejected]) on Monday, Oct 13, 2008 at 1:58:24 PM (0+)
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Jesus's resurrection he told his disciples he had to leave them to go feed sheep in other lands before ascending back into the Kingdom. His disciples were trying to live Communal lives, but were still in a Mammon system. At the same time the Tribes of what is now North America were living as Tribal Communalists, but were not in a mammon system. Are now, but weren't then. When Ohio was the far west a white man traveled among some Tribes. He said of them that they live like the Bible says to live & they don't even have the Book The Israelites were a Tribal people's as Jesus is called the Lion of Judah because he was born of the Tribe of Judah. Long before the Israelites envied the other Nations & asked God to give them a King. God told them a King would enslave them. Perhap's God's idea of freedom is far different that the world man's idea of freedom. God knew the Israelites did not want what he wanted for them, they just envied the other Nations & in their envy & vanity wanted to be like the other Nation. They ended up with Both Herod's & the Caesar's of Rome as their Kings. Worldly Kings while they missed the Spiritual King who's Kingdom is not of the world of man, nor worldly thing. Wasn't some 2000 years ago, & still isn't today. Time flys when your having fun! Columbus sailed. The Pilgrims landed. The Founders of your Nation stated they patterned your Nation after Rome. Most were Freemasons & Deists. Freemasonry was illegal to their King's law since they were a secret organization that were intent on setting up their New Order of the Ages or New World Order. Both Bush's have called for the NWO as did Tony Blair...the last Leader of France. Nixon was one of the first to talk about the NWO publically. In prophecy some consider the NWO may be the globalist system of the Beast with Mystery Babylon being the key to buidling the system of the Beast. Mystery Babylon fornicates with all the Nations of the Earth. Possibly through the U.N. as well as through Freemasonary & other secret organizations? by shadow dancer (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 1117 comments [121 recommended, 2 rejected]) on Monday, Oct 13, 2008 at 8:47:35 PM (0+)
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Capitalism condemned..............
One good reason to be an atheist or agnoistic is that religion has self evidently failed and is unable to deliver the justice its scriptures describe. That may be because religion, theological in origin, has nothing to do with God. But one can equally ask why humanism as also failed to deliver the goods? [economics of fairness, honesty, ethical behavior] That may be becasue human nature itself isn't to the job and we over estimate the potential of our species for constructing a truely moral society. But as Monty Python once said: now for something just a little bit different: http://www.dunwanderinpress.org by R. A. Landbeck (1 articles, 0 quicklinks, 10 diaries, 78 comments [4 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Tuesday, Oct 14, 2008 at 1:36:49 PM (0+)
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