Again ...

Again Mr. McGovern is spot on.

I've been saying that this administration is going to attack Iran, no matter what the situation. People have been calling this assumption crazy because of the mess we've currently in and it would be insane to do such.

Well, as Mr. McGovern has pointed out we're not talking about sane people here.

This administration will attack Iran. It will throw the world into a tailspin we'll never pull out of. The next few years, and I don't mean to sound melodramatic, might indeed be the last our species will see on this planet because if we don't do something to stop this madness, this madness will stop us.

GENERAL STRIKE SEPT. 11th - NO work - NO buying - Bring this country to a standstill! It might be the last chance we'll have to stop the madness.

by Mr M (4 articles, 0 quicklinks, 7 diaries, 1226 comments) on Wednesday, August 22, 2007 at 11:05:42 AM
 

The lunatics run from the insanity of the loony bin

"In short, it seems a good bet that Rove, who is no one’s dummy and would not want to have to “spin” an unnecessary war on Iran, lost the battle with Cheney over the merits of a military strike on Iran, and only then decided to spend more time with his family."

This is disturbing -- that perhaps Rove left because it's gotten too corrupt and insane even for him. (It's like the scenes in Oliver where Fagin is alarmed by the criminality and violence of Bill Sykes.)

Tony Snow is also scheduled to live -- he says for "financial reasons", and that he will leave when his money runs out. Money runs out from what? Health care expenses for his cancer? But where could one better be with serious health expenses than in the White House? He could get better insurance somewhere else? How does this add up?

Do chickenhawks come home to roost, or do they start devouring the other chickenhawks? Remember those scenes in the BBC's 'I Claudius' when all the Senators ran away from Caligula when he really thought he was a God (a rather capricious one)? Take Ray's advice and see "Dangers of a Cornered George Bush"!

The warp core is going to breech, Captain, and there's nothing I can do about it -- I kenna change the laws of physics!

by Blue Pilgrim (0 articles, 3 quicklinks, 2 diaries, 998 comments) on Wednesday, August 22, 2007 at 1:19:59 PM
 

Tough to Digest

Rumsfeld, Rove and Snow are now the good guys?

by Russ Wellen (58 articles, 1029 quicklinks, 66 diaries, 335 comments) on Wednesday, August 22, 2007 at 2:12:18 PM
 

not good guys at all

but they hear the galloping in their heads like Bush and Cheney (and Caligula).

It's like, you know it smells bad when the skunks scurry away!

by Blue Pilgrim (0 articles, 3 quicklinks, 2 diaries, 998 comments) on Wednesday, August 22, 2007 at 3:25:28 PM
 

Yeah I had to wonder

    Does the arrival of 'the good guys' usually come accompanied with the scent of sulfur?

by chariotdrvr14 (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 1 diaries, 126 comments) on Wednesday, August 22, 2007 at 5:15:12 PM
 

"Bush League War Drums Beating Louder on Iran"

Rove left because it's gotten too corrupt and insane even for him.

An excellent point you make Blue Pilgrim. And as Mr. McGovern stated, attacking Iran would be crazy.

by Munich (0 articles, 52 quicklinks, 12 diaries, 726 comments) on Wednesday, August 22, 2007 at 6:19:49 PM
 

More like...

rats leaving the sinking ship.

by Rob Kall (746 articles, 3832 quicklinks, 320 diaries, 1607 comments) on Wednesday, August 22, 2007 at 10:31:49 PM
 

Intelligence

Ray McGovern, as ever, is again correct.  On every front.  Including the one that about ordinary people being able to glean intelligence from the news.  Many bloggers and article writers all over the internet have claimed again and again, based on their news junkie status that the idiot commander in chief would do it.  On a recent comment I wrote on the subject of Bush's brain, Karl Rove, leaving I said I felt that Cheney pushed him out and now has complete control over Bush's brain and that we would now attack Iran.  The lamestream media is so totally irrelevant now, clowns performing in fake, "This just in," self-important glitzy newsrooms with huge screens and interviews on non-issues, displaying absolutely no understanding of what is happening in the world.  The right wing radio screech artists know more.  They just lie about it.  But the people who really know and understand what the real issues are AND tell the truth about are on the internet news pages just like this one. 

by Sheila Jackson (16 articles, 0 quicklinks, 2 diaries, 137 comments) on Wednesday, August 22, 2007 at 3:03:25 PM
 

Wow..... this is sobering.

   I'd been kinda hoping they wouldn't dare press this attack. That the realities of expanding the present theatre would prove counterproductive. Iranians would never see this as anything other than a western imperialist attack. I'm started to be more convinced of Bush's 'endoftimes' religiousity.

     There should be widespread doubt about any report that issues from our intelligence community as Bush, Cheney, Rove had been fairly successful in politicizing those departments. The fact that the 'NIE report was sent back four times' should be telling. Every report we get these days is that the administration doesn't accept any official report that doesn't have a pro Bush policy spin to its pitch. Case in point: the CIA report that faults George Tenet with the terror attacks of 9/11 even though Tenet told the 9/11 Commission  that he told Condoleeza Rice in a meeting in July of 2001 of the danger of an imminent Al Qaeda attack... as did Richard Clark who gave her a detailed report.... both of them completely ignored by Rice. But of course that will never make the history books because its not from a government stationary.

     Reports by any component of this administration is to be suspect. Most of the credibility in Washington, or in Langley has dripped away with the influx of Bush's political appointments.

       And with it, any chance of sane, rational assessments.

by chariotdrvr14 (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 1 diaries, 126 comments) on Wednesday, August 22, 2007 at 5:10:47 PM
 

I don't believe Rove has 'left'...

I don't believe any of these idealogs have 'left'. I do believe they know what is in store if they (their movement, so to speak) lose. They are all guilty of treason. That rats benefit not at all from jumping ship and they are all so guilty, characterizing it as 'jumping' is, I believe, misleading.

by richard (0 articles, 4 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 729 comments) on Wednesday, August 22, 2007 at 9:30:39 PM
 

Iran has always been on the PNAC list

and on named by Bush as in the "Axis of Evil"

Patrick Clawson is currently the Deputy Director for Research of the Washington Institute for Near East Policy and senior editor of Middle East Quarterly.

He is also the one on this broadcast (listen or download): Case for a war against Iran : Debate with George Galloway (and others) on Radio 4's Hecklers show Wednesday 15 August 2007.

Clawson is smart, smooth, and a lunatic. It's scary listening to him. He puts together what sounds at first as if perhaps it made some sort of sense -- but it doesn't when you think about what he says, and it's utterly devoid of morality. It reminded me of listening to Hannibal Lector. (And he thinks Iran is irrational and dangerous?!)

These are the sorts of people who are running this country.  :-{

by Blue Pilgrim (0 articles, 3 quicklinks, 2 diaries, 998 comments) on Wednesday, August 22, 2007 at 11:11:26 PM
 

Fox Noise is Beating the War Drums on Iran

This is a must see video.

We must  call our state and federal Congress people so that such a foolish attack can be prevented.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-eyuFBrWHs

For if this administration attacks Iran most if not all oil will cease to flow from the Middle East. And with this latest stock market situtation, the United States could see a collapse. It'll be anarchy, with every family and community for themselves. Bush will then declare a state of emergency and implement full scaled Martial Law in the United States.

The insanity must stop! This isn't the America our Founding Fathers fought and died for.

by Munich (0 articles, 52 quicklinks, 12 diaries, 726 comments) on Thursday, August 23, 2007 at 12:15:11 AM
 

Pain-Free

Besides thinking they wouldn't do anything that crazy, the public also isn't that concerned.

They just assume that like all wars we've fought after World War II, an attack on Iran would have little effect on our shores.

An attack on Iran must be framed as a threat to our economy. Disruption in oil supplies could lead to Depression-level (25%) unemployment.

In other words, if I stand by and let the administration attack Iran, I could lose my job.

One more call to my representative and senators urging them to not to grant authorization to the administration to attack Iran might not help. But it couldn't hurt. I'll do that today (for the umpteenth time).

by Russ Wellen (58 articles, 1029 quicklinks, 66 diaries, 335 comments) on Thursday, August 23, 2007 at 7:47:32 AM
 

Militaristic Plutocracy

Now we’re getting down to the nitty-gritty. Iraq the new Viet Nam, the issue Conservatives and Republicans have used to betray democracy and turn America into a Militaristic Plutocracy. According to the RIGHT, all our problems can be traced to the lefts cowardly retreat from Viet Nam. Millions of people died before, during and after the war, but those killed after America left, most concern the RIGHT. They say, “The Left is responsible for our humiliating defeat, and the loss of millions people killed in Cambodia.”

Never mind the millions killed during the war.

Since when has the RIGHT been concerned about the deaths of a few million people? Aggression and militarism always appeal to some people, that’s the way they conduct their own lives. Might makes right and they’ve got the money to prove it. Might does not make Right. The powerful oppressing the weak does not make Right. We all know that, but the Militaristic Plutocracy that rules America has a different point of view, and most of the wealth and power in America. And they use that wealth and power to dictate what we hear and see on TV. They have their tentacles into government, media and religion. That’s called control.

Some Americans are unable to see they are being controlled, some welcome control as long as it suits their personality, but there are others who resent being controlled by people who don’t care if our families starve to death. Both of our political parties have the used the bugaboo of socialism/communism and now terrorism to feed the Military Industrial Complex, owned by our Militaristic Plutocracy. That’s how our stupid and corrupt economic system and government works, everything else is fluff.

Maybe we’ll never be free of somebody’s control, but shouldn’t we at least try to understand that someone IS controlling us, and take just a moment to think for ourselves.

War is sometimes inevitable, but wars of aggression as our reason to be, is insane.

What we should have learned from Viet Nam is to question our leaders whenever they start beating the war drums. They don’t represent the people, and they lie, lie, lie.

Of all the presidential candidates, Dennis Kucinich is the least favored by our Militaristic Plutocracy.

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by rabblerowzer (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 227 comments) on Thursday, August 23, 2007 at 7:57:33 AM
 

Yup, ...the plutocrats of the oil-igarchy

    As the means of communication shifts to fewer and fewer hands then it stands to reason that the flow of information is there to serve narrower and narrower interests....i.e., Murdoch, Disney, Sony. The aggressiveness of youth culture unintentionally being hyped to promote a militarist state of mind. More and more tv shows and movies are being underwritten and "advised" by the Pentagon to make you think that war and militarism is the natural state of things or is somehow cool. Eventually military chic  will be so integral in youth culture that when they suggest bringing back the draft.... it's possible no one raises a fuss. Their hope anyway.

    The Left wasn't wrong about Vietnam nor were the hippies weren't wrong about peace and love  but just failed to recognise the resilience of the Right. The far right and christian extremists have been using the tactics they learned from the left to build an enormous conservative base which they could do handily with the massive funding from their ideological sympathicos in the corporate and political elite.  

    Anyway....it's distressing to see the control they exert the flow of information and in regards to Iraq, 

My impression is they don't want to give up sitting on top of the world's largest oil supplies. And the fight for oil (as it's running out) is just warming up. Hence, their absurd clinging to the justifications of not just staying in Iraq but even using the same ridiculous PNAC pre Iraq invasion theory that an attack on Iran would result in us being viewed as 'liberators'. An idea long discredited. 

    As I sat up last night with the BBC news coverage the Bush's latest speech to a gathering of veterans "that a free Iraq is just within reach" and then went to contradict what his administration had been denying for the last 5 years... was a comparison of Iraq to the Vietnam war. It was a  blatant  act of Newspeak like ".....Oceana has always been war with Eurasia!". A shifting of the perception of history as if no one had seen them move the chess pieces. And while the mainstream media  in the US doesn't appear to be calling them on it I think the post-Blair british are almost laughing at the naked emperor; they used a picture of Bush for this report that gave the impression of a frail, nervous, desperate  psychopath... a shifty eyed card cheat.

    Btw...it's disheartening to see the powers that be so effectly blackballing Dennis Kucinich and hyping Hillary Clinton. At times it's as if they've already made their minds up who the next president will be. The ABC.com site has been heavily censoring their polls one minute Kucinich getting high ratings and comments and the next minute nothing and even being cropped out of images that he earlier was in. 

by chariotdrvr14 (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 1 diaries, 126 comments) on Thursday, August 23, 2007 at 10:08:45 AM