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August 23, 2007 at 14:23:09

Socialism in America Equals Hope for the World

by Paul Donovan (Posted by Jason Miller)     Page 3 of 6 page(s)

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I suppose, CEO sympathizers may say that the CEO is entitled to more than an assembly line worker—but do you really think this type of polarization of wealth is fair, and if so, why shouldn’t the worker even make a living wage? To me “wage slave”—as the above example illustrates, is the rule and not the exception around much of the world, hence hardly a hyperbolic term.

When I recently mentioned this labor situation in the Dominican Republic to a friend of mine he thought it was somewhat unfortunate, but sort of dismissed it as the natural order of things, and couldn’t figure out why I really cared so much? I was actually made to feel guilty, or to feel that I said something wrong by raising this point. Naturally, I was a bit perturbed by my friend’s indifference and automatic corporate allegiance, and replied in the words of Jack London, “well the blood is dripping from their (the corporations) rooftops,” which my friend viewed as a fanatical statement, even though I said it very coolly and matter of fact.

Due to indoctrination in pro-capitalist ways of looking at almost any reality, it appears the prison of the mind is a cell many people would rather live in. I just hope that cell is padded, and furnished luxuriously, because it may be a long time before someone or something breaks us free.

Speaking of and to fanatics

The true fanaticism in this country is not emblematic of those opposing the unjust status quo, as the media would have us believe, but rather of those who support it, or even just as guilt remain complacent in light of it. Those who delude themselves into thinking that turning a blind eye, or making an excuse for exploitation, or iniquity of any kind, is a healthy human response to gross human injustice. I am sure we can assume that if the middle class rug were pulled out from my friend (as it slowly is) and their own ageing parents could not retire, hardly surviving on .70 cents an hour, that they just may at such time raise some timid objections, if not scream to high heaven, but the middle class buffer in America is still robust enough, although the cartilage between our bones is wearing away due to constant systemic weights, and as a result of this weathering, we are starting to hear some of the system’s rusting machinery making that metal on metal sound, with Charlie Chaplin still wedged in the gears of these “Modern Times”, which in reality, should have been history by now.

It still seems that many among the general public would rather take it easy and just see what happens, while relying heavily on doses of beta-blockers to suppress the anxiety of the “daily grind”, while letting the wealthy of the planet, who obviously seem to be lacking basic scruples, decide for us, which path of doom is the shortest to take.

Following this script, the collective weight of our plethora of sins may land on the shoulders of maybe our great grandchildren; by then we will be long gone, and they can’t curse at us directly. In response to those who share the attitudes of some of my cynical associates, Eugene Debs may have said,

“Now my friends, I am opposed to the system of society in which we live today, not because I lack the natural equipment to do for myself but because I am not satisfied to make myself comfortable knowing that there are thousands of my fellow men who suffer for the barest necessities of life. We were taught under the old ethic that man’s business on this earth was to look out for himself. That was the ethic of the jungle; the ethic of the wild beast. Take care of yourself, no matter what may become of your fellow man.”

Certainly Debs reaction to injustice and inequality is the healthy human response, and certainly not one of a man who has been so jaded by luxury, popular consumerist culture, meaningless education, or crippled by apathy that he has cashed in his humanity for a false sense of security, and a feeling of Darwinian entitlement. Americans back in Debs’ day certainly did not beat around the bush when they had something to say. Today our political language, thanks chiefly to television, has become tamer, “polite,” and therefore sterile in conveying truth or passion. There is no real need for Nazi storm troopers (at least not yet) because most Americans do a pretty good job of policing themselves, right inside their brains.

As Dr. Christian Parenti notes, we live in the “soft cage” or the prison of the self, so it seems that just maybe those SS troopers live inside of our minds, hearts and central nervous systems more so than they do behind the walls.

The Capitalist process of exploitation is actually quite simple, and very rational from the perspective of the owner whose primary goal is to maximize profits above all else for him/herself, or investors. Of course not all owners are bad people, but as the saying goes “sentiments play little part in economics”, and often as a result, very hardworking honest people, who can barely make ends meet are hung out to dry, when profit margins shrink for employers, economic stability falters, and financial consultants and wizards are called in to start working their magic markers, to eliminate potential risks, liabilities (translation: labor cuts) or anything that could hamper a “lean and mean” production, or become insurance liabilities due to the fact we are the only nation with employer based health care—great fun for us!

In capitalist society, at least for the so called “unskilled” workers (which is one of my least favorite terms) the more one ages in the work force, the less valuable a worker is to the owner due to the fact you are less productive, less quick on your feet, usually less malleable to change, often wise to their ways, or present other costs and “rigidities” recommending termination. To some the word termination or “fired” has come to sound too harsh, especially to those who felt the trauma of what being canned really feels like, so the elites have purposefully hand picked a new, and more congenial term for firing you, which is called being “let go” as if now, when one is thrown onto the streets, instead they are being carefully placed onto a bed of feathers. Many of these new euphemistic terms have been slowly introduced into our language, with the intent to downplay their actual impact on the individual, and those who rely on them.

Obviously, wisdom, foresight, and prudence aren’t valued characteristics to an owner that wants to be rich as soon as possible, so those old bags are thrown out on the streets to blow about, almost always perfectly invisible to the media, where hopefully none of their “hot air” will leak out onto our sweet children, who in any case would most likely wait until their video game session was completed before calling 911—assuming you were unlucky enough to have a heart attack in front of our little honor roll angels.

This inhumane fact, coupled with our peculiar “folkways,” could be one of the reasons the elderly are treated like a giant inconvenience in American capitalist society, because they no longer produce enough surplus value, and therefore our dominant institutions treat them as dead weight. Inevitably that very attitude, reinforced by the constant assault of advertising proclaiming that newer is better, seeps out of the factory, office, call center, service establishments, or retail store, all the workplaces, and into the homes, where it seamlessly invades the hearts and minds of the youth, who in this country treat the elderly with great disrespect. In Japanese culture the elderly were once treated with great respect, but movies like Akira Kurosawa’s “Ikiru” demonstrate that even in a more subtle urban capitalist culture, the elderly are also seen as nameless burdens. Can we ever name something “good” that came about in a rush, or should I spare us the Tortoise and the Hare parable?

And it doesn’t stop there. Today, the capitalist system feeds off the disasters it creates. In the United States, the oil, energy, and computer technology industries are the most lucrative, but what’s quickly rising to prominence is the private prison system. The United States is the wealthiest nation in the history of humanity, yet according to the Justice Policy Institute, which advocates a more lenient system of punishment, America has a higher rate of incarceration than any other country, followed by Britain, China, France, Japan and Nigeria.

In 2004, one in every 138 U.S. residents was in prison or jail; the previous year it was one in every 140. Further, 61% of prison and jail inmates were of racial or ethnic minorities. An estimated 12.6% of all black men in their late 20s were in jails or prisons, as were 3.6% of Hispanic men and 1.7% of white men. Could racism, deeply rooted despair, misguided and ultra puritanical laws about drug use, and pervasive poverty, have something to do with these appalling statistics? Does anyone doubt that if almost 13% of all white young men were behind bars there would an explosion in this nation? These are indeed troubling questions that point toward many uncomfortable traits in American culture, but shouldn’t a system that never quite manages to eliminate poverty in the midst of grotesque riches have to answer some hard questions, too?

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My name it means nothing, my age it means less. My deeds of activism are mine to enjoy and share as I feel necesary, not as some clown in a small forum's administration thinks I must..This place gets worse each and every visit.
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ardee D.My name it means nothing, my age it means less. My deeds of activism are mine to enjoy and share as I feel necesary, not as some clown in a small forum's administration thinks I must..This place gets worse each and every visit.
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The inevitability of Socialism

Capitalism eats itself and thus will bring about its own demise. I know not how many folks will take the effort to wade through this overlong (sorry) article. I myself skimmed it and may very well go back and read it in depth, or not. The short attention span is rather typical of an American these days, myself included apparently.

I am inclined to a system wherein capitalism has its place, though more controlled than currently noted, and socialism belongs as we find in Scandinavia, to such as health care and other essential to the citizen endeavors.

Debs was cited a couple of times and I will do so as well:

"While there is a lower class, I am in it. While there is a criminal element, I am of it; and while there is a soul in prison I am not free." 

There might be widespread resistance to socialism among those who simply do not understand what it brings or even its essential nature, believing it to be communism, which of course it is not.

Debs again:

"When great changes occur in history, where great principles are involved, as a rule, the majority is wrong."

by ardee D. (6 articles, 4 quicklinks, 1 diaries, 2377 comments) on Thursday, August 23, 2007 at 6:21:26 PM
 


I was born in Los Angeles and raised in Mexico City. I have travelled throughout Latin America, Europe and Arfica. We're all the same.
GuajolotlI was born in Los Angeles and raised in Mexico City. I have travelled throughout Latin America, Europe and Arfica. We're all the same.

THE WORM IS TURNING

The American ruling class has for generations ground its heel into the faces of its working people--of all colors---and left them to fend for themselves. As things get worse, as the economy falters, the oligarchy shows its true colors-- they are the ones who dont give a damn about their own country as long as they can make a buck. Flag-waving "patriots" and their mentors are the ones who are the greatest danger to this country--- from alienating and impoverishing its people to wrecking the environment. People are getting tired of it. Capitalists will have to pay for their crimes, and I think they too, in spite of their utter dimness, are beginning to see that people are not buying crap any more. This makes them desperate and dangerous and very very afraid. Lets all sit back and enjoy watching them squirm as their precious economy rushes down the toilet.

by Guajolotl (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 131 comments) on Thursday, August 23, 2007 at 7:32:21 PM
 


Politically, I lean Libertarian. When discussing issues, I will slam Dems and/or Republicans.

Now, when it comes to really irritating me, just make an unfounded charge; I will call out whomever makes the charge if there are no facts to back it up! Another version of this is when I see something that is just plainly silly/ridiculous.

An example could be something stated which could be very easily disproved. Another example, and I see this frequently: Rather tha...

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steve scheetzPolitically, I lean Libertarian. When discussing issues, I will slam Dems and/or Republicans.

Now, when it comes to really irritating me, just make an unfounded charge; I will call out whomever makes the charge if there are no facts to back it up! Another version of this is when I see something that is just plainly silly/ridiculous.

An example could be something stated which could be very easily disproved. Another example, and I see this frequently: Rather tha...

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Socialism in America equals DOOM for America

It is in fact difficult to shed light on what a socialist United States

Um, not really...  let's look at France, whose political system is socialistic, in nature...  It's unemployment rate is off of the charts high, the tax burdon takes away all motivation for anyone to do anything other than live off of the government, and oh yeah...  With the Socialistic form of government, we will have universal health car, where a government bureaucrat, who can not be fired, can tell you if, in fact, you are ALLOWED to have that operation...

 The rest of the world would be happy to see the US economy crash, right??  Well, maybe, maybe not.  what happens to their money (which is heavily invested in the US economy) if the US economy fails?  Think their money would be worth anything then?  

If the US Fails, the world fails right along with it..  it is the laws of simple economics..

 

However, instead of the third world being miserable, everyone will be miserable..  then, I guess, everyone will be happy since we will be all, equally miserable... 

 

 Ciao, CZ

by steve scheetz (4 articles, 0 quicklinks, 2 diaries, 669 comments) on Friday, August 24, 2007 at 11:59:20 AM
 


Been around the block a few times.
Blue PilgrimBeen around the block a few times.

Sweden

is doing OK, and it's rather socialistic. France has it's own problems, but socialism doesn't mean a country never has problems -- yet France is hardly bankrupt -- the US is in terrible trouble however, as the largest debtor nation in the world.

You just don't understand what socialism is. Nor universal health care -- which is excellent in France, and the other nations which have it. Here we have some insurance company clerk who tells you can't have an operation, but that's not really the way it works with universal health care, and you always have to option of paying for it yourself like all the uninsured and underinsured have in the US now.

by Blue Pilgrim (0 articles, 3 quicklinks, 2 diaries, 997 comments) on Friday, August 24, 2007 at 2:35:48 PM
 


Richard Mynick is a US citizen who, despite the best efforts of the corporate media, noticed something disturbing about how the 2000 election was decided, & felt it augured poorly for democracy.
Richard MynickRichard Mynick is a US citizen who, despite the best efforts of the corporate media, noticed something disturbing about how the 2000 election was decided, & felt it augured poorly for democracy.

Unintentionally hilarious response. You demonstrate in your

first sentence not only that you have no idea what socialism really is, but also that you can't spell or write grammatically correct sentences.

If you think France is an example of "socialism," you just don't know enough to even be in this discussion. // Standards of living in several of the Scandinavian countries are just as high as in the US, and they also (like France) have social-democratic forms of government. (Notice the word "social-democracy." Do you know what it means? Do you think it's the same thing as "socialism"?)

You then further embarrass yourself with your ignorant remark about universal health care: "...where a government bureaucrat, who can not be fired, can tell you if, in fact, you are ALLOWED to have that operation."  If you took yourself out to see the movie "Sicko," you'd realize that in the USA, bureaucrats at insurance companies & HMO's do exactly the same thing. (There's interesting footage in Sicko of an insurance company bureacrat testifying before Congress that she was given bonuses & promotions for denying people coverage for various medical procedures -- in some cases leading to their death.)

Finally, though it's unrelated to the article, you toss out this non sequitur: "The rest of the world would be happy to see the US economy crash, right??...If the US Fails, the world fails right along with it." What does that have to do with socialism? Why did you even mention it? Is it supposed to prove how "big and strong" capitalism is?

by Richard Mynick (2 articles, 3 quicklinks, 1 diaries, 1210 comments) on Friday, August 24, 2007 at 8:04:19 PM
 


Politically, I lean Libertarian. When discussing issues, I will slam Dems and/or Republicans.

Now, when it comes to really irritating me, just make an unfounded charge; I will call out whomever makes the charge if there are no facts to back it up! Another version of this is when I see something that is just plainly silly/ridiculous.

An example could be something stated which could be very easily disproved. Another example, and I see this frequently: Rather tha...

to see more of bio, click on member name

steve scheetzPolitically, I lean Libertarian. When discussing issues, I will slam Dems and/or Republicans.

Now, when it comes to really irritating me, just make an unfounded charge; I will call out whomever makes the charge if there are no facts to back it up! Another version of this is when I see something that is just plainly silly/ridiculous.

An example could be something stated which could be very easily disproved. Another example, and I see this frequently: Rather tha...

to see more of bio, click on member name

Then move to Scandinavia ...

If I saw the movie Sicko...  Oh that has got to be the best source of facts ever, right?  I don't seem to recall suggesting that our system is good, did I say that?  Ummm  NO, I did not...  In fact, our system sucks!  It is working on a universal healthcare style, only we have insurance company paid bureaucrats instead of government bureaucrats..  Oh that is so much better right?

 If the Universal healthcare system is so great, Why do the people in England all have bad teeth?

Why do the older people, in England, who can afford to come to the US, Come here for operations or to have procedures done?

 Your points  really demonstrate a lack of any sort knowledge about anything...  For example, you compare Scandinavia to the US...

you compare 5 countries with the combined population of New York City... However, beyond that, let's take the best of the bunch, Sweden.  1/3rd of its population of less than 9 million people are employeed by the Swedish Government.  The Swedes pay less in taxes that we do, here in the US, they have 7% unemployment compared to our 4.5% unemployment...

 

Health care?  Why don't I let a Swede tell you about their healthcare??

Actually, when taking a closer look at Sweden's healthcare system, it becomes evident that it really works as a Soviet economy. One of the most obvious symptoms of communism is queuelines. The demand for a good becomes significantly larger than the supply of it. A good which is priced at zero will be overused, at the same time, the supply side will be reduced since there are no incentives to rationalize or move into the market. You know the scenery: empty shelves, people queueing up for rotten bread. Or rotten healthcare. In Sweden, our enchanted, beloved communist healthcare system lets people wait for more than two years before they can get certain surgeries. Welfare state? Hardly, except for the politicians and bureaucrats of course, who somehow manage to pass by the queues and enrich themselves at the expense of others. It almost sounds too Soviet to be true.

 

The issue with about socialism, can be directly translated to the way our own government works...  Let's take a failed policy and try it again, because it has been some time since it has been proven a failure, maybe when we do it again, it will work..  We can't try something different, because we don't know if the something different will work..  However, since we know this program failed, we should try it again instead..

Socialism and socialistic policies (universal health care) are failing all over the world, but some people want to try it in the US because it will be better since WE are doing it, and we can do it much better than the rest of the world! 

That is the most absurd style of thought I have come across!  There are ways to improve our health care system...  First of all, our Insurance Companies have limited our choices as to what doctors we are "allowed" to go and see...  Maybe, if we could choose doctors, doctors who would have to compete for business, would lower the cost of services..  Oh wait, we don't care about costs, because the insurance is paying for it..  Hmmmm  Well, our insurance companies have no motivation for changing the way they do business, so that is a problem..  

I do know that our insurance companies have been donating to the politicians in DC so that they would not have to conform to the same standards as other businesses in this nation.. Same with the Drug Companies.  Our drug companies are allowed to sell drugs to Canada for so much less that it pays people to buy the drugs from Canada instead of their local Walmart!  

Currently, these problems have been caused by politicians, but you think that putting a politician in charge of more of the health care system will solve the issues I have raised??  Our friend from Sweden begs to differ..

 

Ciao, CZ   

 

by steve scheetz (4 articles, 0 quicklinks, 2 diaries, 669 comments) on Saturday, August 25, 2007 at 12:24:43 PM
 


Politically, I lean Libertarian. When discussing issues, I will slam Dems and/or Republicans.

Now, when it comes to really irritating me, just make an unfounded charge; I will call out whomever makes the charge if there are no facts to back it up! Another version of this is when I see something that is just plainly silly/ridiculous.

An example could be something stated which could be very easily disproved. Another example, and I see this frequently: Rather tha...

to see more of bio, click on member name

steve scheetzPolitically, I lean Libertarian. When discussing issues, I will slam Dems and/or Republicans.

Now, when it comes to really irritating me, just make an unfounded charge; I will call out whomever makes the charge if there are no facts to back it up! Another version of this is when I see something that is just plainly silly/ridiculous.

An example could be something stated which could be very easily disproved. Another example, and I see this frequently: Rather tha...

to see more of bio, click on member name

I am sort of at a loss...

nobody commented on a socialist bashing a socialist system...  Some of you..  Scratch that..  MOST of you here claim to be the gurus of socialism, particularly when you tell someone else that he does not.. 

 

Reality is very simple...  I DO understand what I am talking about when it comes to socialism..  The disconnect happens when you are trying to compare the utopian ideal of socialism to how reality plays in the world today...  Socialism will NEVER work, unless you are able to somehow abolish the human ego.

You gentlemen have proved this point right here, on this very thread...  Dignity and reputation?  What is the point of the human experience if not to learn and teach?  If we have a disagreement, and I keep silent, so as to "keep my dignity"  I will lose my self respect...

 

Something to think about.

 

Ciao, CZ 

by steve scheetz (4 articles, 0 quicklinks, 2 diaries, 669 comments) on Monday, August 27, 2007 at 7:17:15 AM
 

 

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