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May 2, 2008 at 08:11:37

Headlined on 5/2/08:
African-American perspective on Reverend Wright

by Rabbi Michael Lerner     Page 3 of 4 page(s)

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*Farrakhan on gays and Jews:*

"And the Christian right, with your blindness to that wicked state of Israel…can that be the holy land, and you have gay parades, and want to permit to have a gay parade in Jerusalem when no prophet ever sanctioned that behavior. HOW CAN THAT BE THE ISRAEL, how can that be Jerusalem with secular people running the holy land when it should be the holy people running the holy land. That land is gonna be cleansed with BLOOD!"
Saviours' Day, Chicago, Illinois, 2/26/06



"I call them the so-called Jews because to be a Jew you have to adhere to the statutes and laws that create the special relationship. How can you be a
Jew and promote homosexual marriage?"
National Black Agenda Convention, Boston, 3/18/04

"But all of a sudden in the night clubs, they started having transvestite shows, drag queens… Scriptures say no liar, no adulterer, no effeminate will
get in the Kingdom."
Saviours' Day Speech, Chicago, 2/23/03

"I don't hate Jews. I honor and respect those who try to live according to the teachings of the Torah, but you can't criticize Jewish people. If you criticize them you are anti-Semitic. If you don't agree with what they are doing, you are anti-Semitic. The Bible says, Revelations, those who say they are Jews and are not, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan. I don't hear you preaching that full Gospel. You are afraid of consequences. But no man can say he's a Jew and promote homosexuality. No man can say he's a Jew and promote that which is against the commandments of God. No man can say he's a Jew and run the despicable, degenerate movies. The filth and degenerate language."
Saviours' Day Speech, Chicago, 2/23/03

"...I think that when you warehouse Black men in prisons and they have a sexual drive that is being titillated by the lyrics and by the cultural degeneracy that pervades America today, this sexual need is sometimes filled with activity that God disapproves of."
Meet The Press interview, 10/12/97

"It seems like being gay or whatever sin you wish to be a part of is okay...but I have the duty to lift that gay person up to the standard to ask if they want to live the life that God wants them to or live the lifestyle that they want to live."
Boston speech, 8/7/97

"God don't like men coming to men with lust in their hearts like you should go to a female. If you think that the kingdom of God is going to be filled up with that kind of degenerate crap, you're out of your damn mind."
Kansas City speech, 1996

Do you know some of these satanic Jews have taken over BET?... Everything that we built, they have. The mind of Satan now is running the record industry, movie industry and television. And they make us look like we're the murders; we look like we're the gangsters, but we're punk stuff."
"Justifiable Homicide: Black Youth in Peril (Part 3)" speech at Mosque Maryam, 11/11/07

"The real anti-Semites are those who came out of Europe and settled in Palestine, and now they call themselves the true Jews, when in fact, they converted to Judaism."
Al Jazeera TV interview, 3/18/07

"These false Jews promote the filth of Hollywood that is seeding the American people and the people of the world and bringing you down in moral strength…It's the wicked Jews the false Jews that are promoting Lesbianism, homosexuality. It's wicked Jews, false Jews that make it a crime for you to
preach the word of God, then they call you homophobic!"
Saviours' Day, Chicago, Illinois, 2/26/06

"I'm not an anti-Semite, I never have been one. I do not hate the Jewish people; put that down! What I hate is the degree of control that they exercise over Black intellectual, cultural expression. I do not think that no human being should determine how high we can go, that can only be determined by God and by us; not by no white man, no black man, no human being [crowd cheers]."
Millions More Movement rally, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, 8/31/05


"Dewey, Kant and Hegel, and the rabbis that wrote the Talmud, make blacks inferior."
National Black Agenda Convention, Boston, 3/18/04

"I call them the so-called Jews because to be a Jew you have to adhere to the statutes and laws that create the special relationship. How can you be a
Jew and promote homosexual marriage?"
National Black Agenda Convention, Boston, 3/18/04

"See, you so called Jews - I'm not gonna give you the credit for being one of those that obey God. You portrayed us, you know what images do, that's why you jumped on Mel Gibson. But you painted us, big lips, red eyes, kinky hair, you put in the movies like that. You mocked our characteristics and made us to hate God's creation of us. You did that. Hollywood did that….You take our strongest, more courageous black minds, you think we don't see you? And you put us in Hollywood. You give us television shows, and then we gotta bug our eyes."
Saviours' Day Speech, Chicago, 2/29/04

"You don't mention the horror of our suffering. Here's why…it's because of something called the Hamitic curse. Now I know that this is kinda rough. But according to the Babylonian scholars, writers of the Talmud, not the Torah, but Talmud. Now I want you to listen….Look at this now, the Hamitic curse
was written off in the Talmud 400 years after the birth of Jesus. And the way they wrote it was, I got to find the exact words, 'cause it's really powerful….Oh, Lord, let me find it. I'm gonna take my time. Oh boy, well I'm gonna say it, in the Talmud they talk abut because he looked at Noah in that condition and marked the redness of his eyes, the turning of his head made these kinks in his hair, the thickness of his lips - that's our features. We were black and cursed.
Saviours' Day Speech, Chicago, 2/29/04

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I wrote this in May 2005 as a diary. It is still relevant

Brother, take  my hand, please. 

Recently the media suddenly reported a tragic event on the Lockheed- Martin plant. A white man shot several black employees and then shot himself. The media was as usual, hypocritically biased. They interviewed some white trash guy, who said he himself routinely used the n- word and saw no biggie about it. Of course, the media did not interview any grumpy black man, who would say something I am going to say here, right now,

::::::::

- -That white scumbag deserved to die. He is in Hell where he belongs. If he was alive he should be lynched.
Wow, what did I say? Even Reverend Sharpton would not say such a thing. In fact, I never heard anything like that from any black person on TV. Surely once, in the movie ‘Time to Kill’  a black character says that about two white guys he killed after they brutalized his daughter to near  death. But in general we never heard any media reporting such a thing. It is as if black people are denied the right to be angry, the right to be unfair, the right to be bigoted and the right to want revenge. It is like there seem to be a taboo on the black people to be … like white people.
I think, this is by far the biggest lie of our society, the mother of all lies, the most vicious, most ingenious satanic invention. It is the lie that black people are somehow different, that their rights are somehow different and that although we are all equal, we are…separate. Caught my drift? It is like the apartheid mirror image, the Jim Crow upside- down. We are told that there was a period when black people were fighting for their civil rights. And we are told that they got what they wanted. And we are told that since that time they are enjoying their rights. We are also told that it all had nothing to do with whites. They already had the rights. They just had to move a little aside, so that those black folks got their share. All is hunky-dory, everyone is happy on his own chair. Let the blacks sing in their churches, enjoy their BET and fight for their people. We, the whites have nothing to do with that. That is of course, because we are good people who gave them their rights. The ones we already had in abundance. And now all those women want something. Funny, what do they want? Don’t they have already everything?
The truth, though is that civil rights are for everyone to use. It was not only for the black people they fought in the 60s; it was for all of us. And the devilish trick is that someone in this country with great success divided us in the perception that we better not concern each other with each other’s affairs. And then we have OJ, that is surely a black thing or Mr. Blake, that is a white thing or professor Al- Arian- that is an Arabic thing, or Mr. Lee, that would be a Chinese thing. Stick to your herd, bro. Nobody else cares.
But the world is more complex than that. It tells us that we have the same. problems. Our Pretzel- in - Michief is our common disaster. Our Condi Rice is our common bad fortune. And our Ramsfeld is our common cancerman. They don’t care who they harm. They don’t care who they kill. They will kill all of us eventually if they get their way.
I am a white man. I was born that way. As a human being I recognize all human beings to be divided into three groups: the good, the bad and the indifferent.
I believe that white people can be as good, as bad and as indifferent as the black people. I believe I can hate a black person. I believe I can love a black person. I believe a black person can hate or love me. I believe that white people can be heroes and perverts. I believe the same applies to the black people, yellow people, red people, and all humans in general on the Mother Earth.
We are all in the terrible danger. The cult of vampires wants the blood of our children. They are bloodsuckers and they are not discriminating. Condi Rice is an enemy of all of us. Ramsfeld is an enemy of all of us. Gonzales is an enemy of all of us. They are the enemies of the people of America.
The black community by the tradition and history has an experience on how to resist the oppression. We, the white people need that knowledge and that support. It is crucial. The black community has to take the leadership in the fight against Bush. It is vital. I am asking all the black people not to think that white folks once again want to use them. White people are just not that experienced. But they can learn. They can contribute. They have the same at stake.
If all the ethnic communities unite under the progressive banner, we will prevail. Only in that struggle we really will feel that we are equal. And the victory will set us free. All of us. Take my hand, brother. Your sibling needs your help. Help me, please. Help all of us. Let’s get the bastards.

by Mark Sashine (46 articles, 19 quicklinks, 235 diaries, 3359 comments) on Friday, May 2, 2008 at 10:18:25 AM
 


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Wright verses Rev Moon

Every progressive, Liberal and Ron Paul repub or Libertarian needs to read this lengthy article that I will post. It is vital reading, and it will tie it altogether for you about why we are where we are today, in America.

The article also reaffirms why I believe that John McCain will be our next President. If he dies, then whoever HW BUSH endorces will be our next President.
If you are a religious person (e.g., Christian, Evangelical of Falwell type), you MUST read this article.

 Btw, being just approximately 7? yrs younger than Hillary, how does that woman keep her stamina? This article will answer that question(IMO) as her husband NEVER inquired of this criminal Reverend Moon. He turned a blind eye to what I can see; therefore, I have the right, the duty to speculate, to assume, and to conclude, the drug trade helps Hillary.

Rev. Moon called the US a satanist state for starters........read on.

Robert Parry | The Right's America-Hating Preacher

by shirley reese (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 273 comments) on Friday, May 2, 2008 at 12:27:59 PM
 


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Wright and Obama

To bring a voice of sanity here, I don't think Wright is crazy because I know the history of the african american church.  The church has always been place, probably the only place where many black americans could hear a discourse about racism in a environment that understood their daily struggles.  I grew up in the UCC denomination and they have always been a mostly white, progressive, ahead of their time denomination.  Unfortunately, that denomination has let social justice overshadow their preaching of the gospel and what you saw at the Press club is not only the result of that but also the result of the Civil Rights era.  M. L. King also said many harsh things about America ( if we ever stopped to listen to more than the "I have a dream" speech).     This man was not wise in his actions,  and he has other issues (ego maybe) but he's not a racist  and has married interacial couples before.  He served in the Marines for heaven's sake.  But angry as he is at America (some would say for just reasons) he could have behaved better.

I think it is ludicrous that anyone would judge Senator Obama on his religious affiliations.  This was never done under Clinton, Reagan, Carter (Bush II and the right are another subject).    Mitt Romney is a LDS elder (and their church believes black spirit babies are evil and didn't allow blacks into their denomination for years--totally goofy).   Huckabee was a Southern  Baptist pastor and there was no hoopla over Baptist ideas about various subjects.  They should not have been asked anyway.  Are we going to give religious test now for our political leaders?  And what  is it exactly should they believe?  Whoever started the Wright controversy was praying on fear.  Black people are not a package, they are individuals.  Wright has the right to say what he wants and Obama can disown him and do whatever he wishes.  God bless America.

But isn't it interesting that there is often a double standard?   When whites criticize the nation, they are being patriotic and care about the country.  But when blacks do it from their own perspective, which will inevitably be a slavery one, they are something to be feared and hated and villified, even if they are saying it in their own feeble way and telling the truth about the conditions that exist?  (That being said, I believe the government does a lot of wrong but the HIV thing? -- He may be having flashbacks from the government's Syphilis test on unsuspecting African Americans but --well--I very much doubt this.)

by thinker45 (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 2 comments) on Friday, May 2, 2008 at 1:49:41 PM
 


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The Bill Moyers piece was a good start

It's always interesting to see a couple of Bible quoters come to some meaning. And then at the Press Club, all was dashed as Wright injected criticism of Moyers for deleting some of his remarks. Whether true or not, whether justified or not, it certainly didn't show forbearance. Also at the Moyers discussion it was almost as though Wright dismissed Dr. King.

Using a little math, I realize that Wright, with preaching in his family tree, embraced the Viet Nam war, and by the time Dr. King was killed he was resuming studies at Howard. His experience with the years Taylor Branch writes about in the King Years trilogy seems to have been somewhat of a blank.

These are just observations. I don't know the man, although I've known of the work done at Trinity when it was small. Another observation from personal experience is that the webpage for Trinity Church of Christ elicited round robin emails from those who took exception to "black" theology. This was before Obama was anywhere near to a possible candidacy.

Thank you, for good information.

by Margaret Bassett (21 articles, 1359 quicklinks, 28 diaries, 816 comments) on Friday, May 2, 2008 at 3:13:43 PM
 


I love animals and live with many rescued cats and dogs. I also love politics and to engage in debates and finally I hope to write articles at opednews.

I consider myself to be a traditional democrat and I'm definitely not a liberal. I think the democratic party should be welcoming to everyone and not be taken over by a bunch of liberals out of the Northeast.

Barbara CornettI love animals and live with many rescued cats and dogs. I also love politics and to engage in debates and finally I hope to write articles at opednews.

I consider myself to be a traditional democrat and I'm definitely not a liberal. I think the democratic party should be welcoming to everyone and not be taken over by a bunch of liberals out of the Northeast.

Diversity

Reverend Wright is a black nationalist.  That demonstrates that diversity isn't working in America.  We see the same things from every ethnic group in the country from blacks to Hispanics to Jews to the Chinese Americans who now have the 80-20 Inititive.

 

Rab Lerner himself represents the Jewish community that seeks to further the interests of Israel and the Jewish community.

America has been destroyed by diversity.  It is now a nation of various groups with each seeking its own interests.  We are saddled with political correctness so that we are not allowed to debate these issues.

 In a previous post someone made stereotying attacks upon a white person and this would not be allowed if the comment was directed at a Jew or a black person.

Yet others are quick to call white people bigots and anti-semites if we say anything about other people.

To top it all off we have to put up with lectures from people like Rab Lerner who supports the ethnic state of Israel where the Jews are doing the same things to Palestinians that they claim was done to them by Nazis.  

That reminds us of the Rabs and jews who call for us to boycott China.  You have to laugh.  Do they think we're that stupid. 

by Barbara Cornett (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 15 comments) on Friday, May 2, 2008 at 3:30:35 PM
 


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America isnt being destroyed by Diversity

I live in the most diverse part of Americas most diverse city. Everyone gets along extremely well, crime is low and it is considered a very hip part of the city to live in. I am talking about Astoria in Queens which of course is part of New York City. New York City is known as a melting pot, what some may not know is that Astoria is called the melting pot of the melting pot.

NYC has the lowest crime rate of any medium to large sized American city. Here in Astoria, we have large groups of Egyptians, Pakistanis, Bangladeshis, Chinese, Koreans, Brazilians, Greeks, Czechs, Russians, Italians, Bosnians, just to name a few. My landlord lives in my building and is Bangladeshi. I wished him and his family a happy Ramadan a few months ago.

Astoria's diversity is part of why a lot of people want to live here.

by Steven Leser (193 articles, 37 quicklinks, 32 diaries, 1298 comments) on Saturday, May 3, 2008 at 12:02:22 AM
 


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mare58 yr. old white single woman, grandmother of four, mother of three. Raised children as a single parent. Always worked at good professional jobs. Passion for human right's and politics. Have read about everything of the Clinton's, before WH, and since, do research, blog regularily around the world. Thinks that Obama is 'a new era' in the Ring, we must vote for him for any change. Clinton's only promise, put perhaps one good thing for measure then scandals galore. They are dangerous for Ameri...

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Obama is the answer

I agree totally.  I think Hillary Clinton has her own past, with radicals in the 60's that set a philosophy, used by other noteable 'activists'.  I was a 60's young woman, I understand why we needed a revolution. 

Many of the political members of Congress were also radicals.  Difference is Barack Obama and Michell Obama, like my daughters and son, are beneficiaries of that movement.  Obama will keep it alive and inspiring to today's era, where Clintons, McCain and others are still stuck in the preceding revolution...which was a darker side of life for many. 

I think Michael Lerner and many of the 'activists' of that 'era', have progressed with the movement and is by far, a wonderful example of unity and looking forward, not backward.  Jeremiah Wright is also inspiring, but at times, he slides back a little.  I respect him very much, and hope he does well, but these people were the force and stepping stone for all our children such as Barack Obama

He will make a wonderful President, I have no fear of him losing.  Globally, he is already adored and respected.  I blog daily around the world, so I hear this chatter, and it is refreshing and inspiring.

by mare (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 5 comments) on Friday, May 2, 2008 at 4:00:28 PM
 


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Rabbi Lerner

You mention that "the association with Farrakhan is as objectionable to us" and yet it is not "us" that Reverend Wright speaks to. He says that Farrakhan got more black men off drugs and back with their children than any man in America and he is right. Farrakhan does not scare blacks and, if they listened to what he was saying, he would not scare whites.

It is not Jeremiah Wright's duty to please you or me or Barack Obama. Wright was in the pulpit when Obama was a child. It is his duty to be true to his own preaching of 40 years and it is America's business to separate, in their minds and in their opinion, a black candidate from his preacher.

They have not done that. It is not Wright's fault that they have not done that. It is not his theological duty to make them do that.

The controversy over Wright's comments prove only one thing--that America has not yet (40 years after King's death) found a way to discuss black-white tension in this country.

Don't blame Jeremiah Wright for that. Rabbi Lerner's Israel hasn't been able to accomplish even that much in 60 years of Israeli-Palestinian tension.

by Jim Freeman (108 articles, 42 quicklinks, 192 diaries, 364 comments) on Friday, May 2, 2008 at 6:26:01 PM
 


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Renee'

"I think it is ludicrous that anyone would judge Senator Obama on his religious affiliations."

I respectfully disagree with this statement. It is only through the display of enlightenment can people free themselves from those who might drag their reputation into the dustbin. Not speaking out is enabling.

I criticized this pope, the leader of the church I was born into for the things he said and did. If I did not I would be an enabler of, if not evil itself, than that which could cause others to do evil. The more men say, the more they give away what is in their hearts.

When in a multiple debate, I spend more time listening then talking until I have been able to prompt from others what they truly feel.

While Jesus preached forgiveness, Rev, Wright obviously preaches vengeance.

For crying out loud, he is still racially bigotted against Italians for the death of Jesus, under Roman rule? How forgiving, how stupid is that? A 2000 year old hatred for the Romans who were enacting the desires of corrupt men-the Herodian Kings and Herodian Rabbi's. Not all the rabbi's, just the Herodian rabbi's.

No sane person blames the Jews or the Romans for Jesus death. Some Romans and Some Jews killed him, but not for the reasons unenlightened theologians and most Christians believe.

Rev. Wright displayed a hatred of not only MY people, but of My TWO peoples, Italians and Americans. Only afterwards did he say, "only Some Americans" but I never heard him say, "only Some Italians."

He wants vengeance, it is dripping out of his eyes, his mouth and every other orifice and if Obama had not cried out against him even had Obama won the nomination I may not have voted for a man who would not speak out against a preacher who displayed hatred of Italians and Americans. We need no further division. He seems to forget that it was MANY WHITE people who gave his people their freedom-Whites had the power and yet many whites gave blacks their freedom! He also forgets that there are 19 million Italian Americans in this country, that is a substantial number of voters to anger.

We no more need a man like him having the ear of a president than we need a man like Cheney with the same access. As Far as I can see right now only skin color and avarice separates them. Cheney is evil and greedy and wants revenge for being born. Wright makes evil comments and while showing no sign of avarice, shows many signs of wanting vengeance also. Nevertheless, he is sounding like a black version of a white bigot turned around.

Who else does he hate which he has not yet blasted? We have had enough of racial hatred from BOTH sides of the color barrier. If it is hateful for whites to display enmity toward blacks, (and it is indeed) it likewise hateful for blacks to display enmity toward whites.

Two thousand years of hatred does not show me a man of God but a man cloaked like a preacher but speaking with the forked tongue of Satan against my race and my nationality, excuse my language but F*CK HIM! He is a hypocrite who should take off the mantle of a Christian because he shows no more love nor Christian Values than do the Christian Right, both extremes are an abomination. He sounds like a black racist, the only thing worse is a white racist and only because the whites outnumber the blacks and are thus a greater danger to the blacks than the blacks are to the whites. If the numbers were reveresed then the black racist would be worse.

I hate no race, no nationality, no religion, and I am not avaristic, if a much flawed human being like me can feel that way, then everyone can.

by Professor Emeritus Peter Bagnolo (144 articles, 1 quicklinks, 95 diaries, 1312 comments) on Saturday, May 3, 2008 at 8:50:33 AM
 


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Chickens, 'Gaps', Demeaning Black Militants, Jewish Response

On Chickens Back Roosting, ‘Gaps’, Demeaning Black Militants, Jewish Responsibility

Lerner would have us believe that Rev. Wright in, “The chickens have come home to roost!” referred to ‘chickens flying around the U.S. making trouble and not to the wiping out a couple million Koreans, four million Vietnamese, Laotians and Cambodians, hundreds of Dominicans and Haitians, hundreds of Cubans, a million Iraqis, a million Afghanis, thousands of Somalis, not to mention the millions in the Congo, Angola, Guatemala, El Salvador, Nicaragua, Chile, etc., in Wright’s lifetime. Was it meant any differently when Malcolm X said it after the assassination of JFK?

The mentioned huge gap in communication between white and African-American communities, is caused by white refusal to communicate about seriously adjusting a much greater gap between the bounty that is co-opted by a white minority and the black community and their fellow suffering white brothers and sisters. Lerner would be served to accept that both political office candidate Obama’s quieter toned call for equality and Rev. Wright’s loudly voice outrage represent a quite necessary two pronged attack on an intentionally caused domestic set of injustices. That is what is “obvious”.

Since this Farrakhan selection of quotes is supposed to show Farrakhan at his worst in order to demean Rev. Wright by association, shall one understand that Tikkun Rabbi Lerner is in favor of actually promoting homosexuality and not just protecting personal orientation, in favor of denigrating the Bible's teaching on the subject of homosexuality [okay by atheist Buddhists like yours truly], and in fovor of Zionism, because Farrakhan and billions of people are against it for conquering and impoverishing and ethnic cleansing the Holy Land?

Farrakhan seems always careful to say that it is these three ancient religions born in the Middle East that condemned homosexuality, and he always speaks against the promoting of homosexuality, never homosexuality per se

Lerner might be candid and notice that when Jewish leaders, and practically everyone else, condemn Farrakhan or anyone who openly describes the practice of slum-lording for profit as plied overwhelmingly by Jewish capitalists, THEY never preface their crys of anti-Semitism with some admission like, ‘of course it is unfortunate that these slum lords are mostly all Jewish and making a bad impression in the black and poor white community.’ Why does one hear nary a word of exhortation that American Jews admit their power in the nation and world as a self-distinguishing minority and accept their share of the responsibility of unjust financial arrangement and violence in the world?

Surely Lerner knows that anyone who is against the existence of a fundamentalist in name, but in reality a Zionist partitioned off state for Jews, as was Albert Einstein, Martin Buber, and Eric Fromm, is jumped on as anti-Semitic everywhere. (No one seeks to correct ‘anti-Semitic’ to ‘anti-Jewish’ – Arabs and others are also Semitic nations, Semitic peoples.)

Does editor Rabbi Mike not see what a striking example of ATTEMPTED calumny he has published? Certainly nothing either progressive or spiritual here.

by Jay Janson (70 articles, 0 quicklinks, 6 diaries, 86 comments) on Saturday, May 3, 2008 at 9:43:15 AM
 


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You're all in a The Trance

America is a country barely 200 years old.  Multidiversity has attempted to wipe out the real inhabitants of North America.

I see preciously little advocacy here on OpEd News for Native American causes!

The best thing that could have happened to America would have been an indigenous person running for president in 2008. There are those in this nation who know international law, who know environmental law, who know how the "bridge the gap" between all racists and rebuild America.

Hey, do you think what I am saying is not so?  No, it is SO.  Winona LaDuke ran with Ralph Nadar.  She fits the bill in all ways.   Did you support HER and her community?

No of course you did NOT.  And you know, there are OTHER qualified members of this nation who also fit the bill as Presidential material.

Most of you all still think we are still savages.  No matter which side of the aisle you sit, You allow your commentators more leeway in your heads when they divert your eyes and ears from the TRUTH, than you do letting the sun shine in between your ears and into your hearts.

Any native elder would stand up and say PRECISELY, exactly what Reverend Wright is saying!!  

Wright does not need to be manipulated and controlled by Obama's controlling hand, and no REAL Leader would accept that.    "Here, sit down, and let me crap on your head" has been Obama's real message.

Now take that idea and see how that has been the case with the Native community for 500 years here.

If I go up to Rabbi Lerner and I state my cause and what I believe the course of the US to be, and I show him my naked emotions on the "state" of what I seem, do you suppose, do you just suppose he would be .. um .. a bit PATERNALISTIC ?? as we used to say in the feminist community?

I put this down, cuz I am really experimenting to see if anyone at OpEd News can actually put themselves in a correct framework anymore.

I sent some of my friends here to write, good writers, activists for 40 years! Women who are right on all human rights issues, and are JUST LIKE ME.

They gave up.  I give up from time to time.  No one, no one at all in the public spotlight is trying to build a rainbow coalition except Ralph Nadar.

I always say put your money where your mouth is.  So I would, if I could, but cannot, send my money to Shirley Golub and Ralph and Matt.


The rest of it right now - FORGET IT. Just dead issues, nothing to do with the advancement of LIFE, which is the fundamental choice we should all be making right now.

And I agree - there was NOTHING progressive NOR spiritual about this article.  NOTHING.  It was one of the most disappointing articles I have read in my lifetime, actually. I am not one to find ways to apply standards I would not apply to myself and hold people responsibile to them.

But Rabbi Lerner, IF You read these comments of mine, take to heart what I am telling you.  As a person who promotes the Spiritual Progressives, I wouldn't be doing it anymore.  I asked for help from them a long time ago and GOT BLANKED.

I think it is really a scam for mic hogs and isn't going to remotely produce anything of long lasting value, I am sad to say.  I am as spiritually progressive as anyone else!  Trust me on that.

 

 

 

 

 

by ladybroadoak (37 articles, 20 quicklinks, 12 diaries, 392 comments) on Sunday, May 4, 2008 at 6:42:28 AM
 

 

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