"My personal interest is in electoral, political and government reforms. Virtually all the reforms I examine and recommend in my book could be accomplished through constitutional amendments. People need to see amendments as an alternative form of lawmaking. Because Congress has failed the public as our regular lawmaking institution (and we have no federal ballot initiative mechanism to create laws), we are forced to use the Article V convention option the framers of the Constitution gave us – they correctly anticipated that the time would come when we the people acting through our sovereign states would need a way around Congress. One thing about Friends of the Article V Convention group that I stressed during its formation is that we should not make the mistake that all previous efforts at getting a convention made: namely, they all advocated a specific amendment. All that does is bring out opponents not just to the specific amendment, but to the convention idea itself. What I stress is that we must honor the exact words of Article V, and that means we have a right to a general convention. Convention delegates must be free to consider any possible amendments they think worthy of discussion. Our group will try very hard to avoid advocating specific amendments and stay passionately focused on getting a convention – period."
11. What are your thoughts on electronic voting machines?
"I have always had a Luddite streak in me. And so I have always been skeptical of the trustworthiness of electronic voting. We need absolute transparency in our voting system to maximize trust in it. I have such a negative view of the two major parties that I think they (and their rich supporters) are quite capable of using any available dirty tricks to win elections. It may sound crazy, but if no can stop damn Internet spam and Microsoft can’t make reliable software, then why should we trust electronic voting?"
12. With your obvious disdain for the two party duopoly, I assume you are not supporting a presidential hopeful from either side. Putting reality aside, who would you like to see as our next president?
"I have zero confidence in ALL Democratic and Republican candidates; as long as they all take big money from corporate and other special interests they have no credibility and deserve no trust and public support. I have waited for some major party candidate to say that they would only take campaign contributions of no more than, say, $50 dollars from individuals and groups. I always vote for a third party candidate."
13. You often write about the need for a vibrant and competitive third party. Of the existing third parties, which do you think has the best opportunity to break the duopoly?
"None of the current ones have a chance. That really saddens me. The two big ones, the Greens and Libertarians, never seem to have the capability of reaching a broad cross-section of Americans. They also delude themselves that winning a few local elections will, somehow, some day make them competitive on the national level; I just don’t see it happening. I am working with a new party: the Centrist Party (www.uscentrist.org) that has just been formed, and I also support the Populist Party of America (www.populistamerica.com). There is also a new Whig Party that merits attention ( http://thephoenixchronicles.org/)."
14. What do you say to critics who assert that voting for a third party candidate (i.e. Nader) is a waste or to those who contend that it robs a viable contender of a chance at victory?
"The only people who should feel ashamed and guilty are the ones putting Democrats and Republicans in office. To me, it is pure insanity to keep putting both of these totally corrupt parties in power. I am a proud dissident and would rather see more people not vote, than keep voting for the two major parties. Lesser-evil voting has already destroyed our country. In a perverse way, it would help the nation if voter turnout dropped to, say, 10 percent of eligible voters, so the two-party controlled political system and government would have absolutely NO credibility, certainly not as any type of democracy. At least voting for third party candidates sends some message to the power elites about the degree of dissatisfaction in the electorate. I also favor, as an electoral reform, having all ballots give voters the option of None of the Above."
15. In light of the severity and extent of the Bush administration’s criminal behavior, how do you account for Pelosi taking “impeachment off the table” now that the Dems have control of Congress?
"Just proves my point that Democrats as well as Republicans do not merit any support by true progressives, dissidents, and politically astute people. Another constitutional amendment we need is one that broadens the scope of justifications for impeachment of the president. I also advocate prosecution of Bush and Cheney for criminally negligent homicide. I am sick of so many people calling themselves progressives (what I call neo-progressives) because for some reason they are ashamed of openly calling themselves Democrats. Of course, as Pelosi and most other Democratic members of Congress are showing, neo-progressives should feel ashamed for their support of Democrats."
16. If you were sitting face to face with the reader of this interview, what are five things you would encourage them to do to aid in destroying the delusion and making democracy a reality?
"First, visit www.foavc.org to learn more about the Article V convention provision in our Constitution and why it is needed.
Second, become an active member of the group and help build support for a convention among citizens and state legislatures. Anyone who thinks of themselves as a dissident or rebel, or is just turned off by our political and government system, should become a member.
Third, read my book Delusional Democracy – Fixing the Republic Without Overthrowing the Government. I can promise even the most politically engaged persons that they will learn a lot of new information about the decline of American democracy and the ways to restore it. People need to rally around a set of specific reforms to improve our nation. Emotions are not enough.
Fourth, stop voting for Democrats and Republicans. Either do not vote or find a third party candidate you feel good about.
Like you I would like to see a little democracy for a change. But given the current reality as it exists today, I shudder to think what kind of Constitution we would end up with if those who would most likely attend such a constitutional convention were given a free hand at tinkering with what we now have.
Remember these facts: in the last presidential election approximately half the voters in this country voted for a man who has done more to undermine the rule of law (both national and international) than any president heretofore. On top of that, we have a citizenry that remains largely oblivious to what is happening to their Constitutional protections and other important realities concerning the world we live in. And in large measure you can blame a dysfunctional media for much of what has happened. Presumably it would be this same media that would report on such a convention. One has to assume that it would look more like a sporting event than a serious social transformative event.
Dispite what you might read at this web site, most Americans appear to be in some kind of slumber and not at all interested in events that are likely to shape their lives for decades to come. A case could be made that there is even little evidence that they are interested in their own freedom or see any threat to it. As we have watched the Constitution be attacked and undermined, I see little if any real movement by ordinary citizens to do anything about it.
So given all this, I think attempting to revamp the Constitution when there is so little intellectual and political energy devoted to its preservation, would be a disaster. When a president can essentially dismiss the Constitution in its entirety without any real opposition from either party of Congress... given that kind of disrespect for the rule of law and over 200 years of experiement in self-government, what kind of Constitution do you think delegates to such a convention would come up with?
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Mark A. Goldman (81 articles, 2 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 243 comments)
on Saturday, March 17, 2007 at 4:46:38 PM
Hirschhorn: "The only people who should feel ashamed and guilty are the ones putting Democrats and Republicans in office. To me, it is pure insanity to keep putting both of these totally corrupt parties in power. I am a proud dissident and would rather see..."
I totally agree,
but I cut in here as an American Irish dissident,
Who wants to see a We the People Party, a THIRD WAY, a revolution that returns to the vision of the most radical and revolutionary of our Founding Fathers, Tom Paine:
"Soon after I had published the pamphlet "Common Sense" [on Feb. 14, 1776] in America, I saw the exceeding probability that a revolution in the system of government would be followed by a revolution in the system of religion... The world is my country, all mankind are my brethren, and to do good is my religion."-Tom Paine
If we the people are the government, we the people need to take back The House!
I am in Florida-and I am looking for a District to serve!
I want to serve my state and nation because I believe the well being of every resident in Florida is connected to the well being of every American.
The well being of every American is connected to the well being of every human being and every form of life on our planet.
One must act locally and think globally, and to whom much is given, much more is required.
I will work to protect the environment, the nurturing of children, the building of Habitat for Humanity homes.
If elected I will donate up to one half of my take home pay to Habitat for Humanity homes in the district I serve.
I will seek to reconcile and mend foreign relationships and uphold the spirit and intention of the Constitution of America that successfully separated and balanced governmental powers to safeguard the interests of majority rule and minority rights, of liberty and equality, and of the central and state governments.
"The world is my country, all mankind are my brethren, and to do good is my religion."-Tom Paine
Only in Solidarity "do we have it in our power to begin the world again."-Tom Paine
DO SOMETHING: Take back The House:
It begins with CLEAN ELECTIONS:
House Bill 2690
"Never doubt that a few, thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world: Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has."- Margaret Mead
I have read your announcement to run for president and your platform and I am in Solidarity with you-
I also LOL at how much we have in common:
You wrote: "No one has asked me to be a candidate for President and I have no concrete evidence that my candidacy will be welcome news to anyone. I have no obvious constituency and I don’t have the resources to compete in the electoral process the way other candidates do."
As I am in the Bible-belt of Florida-it is more like Texas than Miami Beach here, and I have as much chance of making it to the House as you do to the Oval Office,
But -it is not so much the winning as running the race and agitating the powers to be that I am seeking foremost, I think we maybe able to provoke some thought and rattle some cages.
I am indeed proud to stand with you as a partner in support of our Republic and its future. Welcome to the revolution. And you are absolutely right in quoting this...
"Never doubt that a few, thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world: Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has."- Margaret Mead
and we will test this proposition to the limit... you and me and everyone else who is willing to stand up for justice, honesty, and basic decency among all people including and most particularly as it applies to those who serve in government. Thanks for speaking out to share the vision.
Mark
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Mark A. Goldman (81 articles, 2 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 243 comments)
on Sunday, March 18, 2007 at 9:04:46 PM
This is a good addition to the conversation about democracy
Which isn't to say I agree with every word to be sure, but I think at this point it is perhaps more worthwhile to say I now favor a constitutional convention for the very public educational value it brings, combined with the belief that it can't get much worse WITHOUT also getting better in the way of being openly bad... so there's less to fear from a convention....
Priority one should be mechanisms of public control and oversight needing to be beefed up. Especially public oversight of elections, which are the sole channel of power and taxing authority-transfer from the People to the government. Voting, as the right that protects all other rights, is only valid when we ALL come together as a community in a special way of one person/one vote (and no ballot box stuffing or electronic fraud equivalents) in order to properly obtain the consent of the governed. As sacred as each individual's vote is, the counting of all of America's votes is approximately 100 million times as sacred, if there are 100 million voters... Yet today it is in electronic voting districts (80-90% now), both optical scan and touch screen, conducted entirely in trade secrecy, with no human being or combination of human beings having any direct knowledge of what the true count is (except perhaps a hacker or rigger).
If We the People are to be in charge of this country, as is undoubtedly the indispensable characteristic of any representative democracy or republic or direct democracy, then we MUST control and witness the COUNTS of the votes. WIthout that, and we don't have it now, there's no basis for confidence in elections. Just "magic numbers" popping out of corporate machines made by corporations that literally claim to OWN the heart of democracy, the counting of the vote, as their own intellectual property "trade secret."
The privatization of democracy, outsourcing public liberty, and the claimed ownership of our electronic ballots even, combined with the lack of any basis for confidence in elections since we can't reproduce them, verify them, or anything else (congress presently offers us a check on 3% or some measly amount, as they threaten to vote themselves re-election with secret counts, telling We the People that's the best we can hope for), means that, logically speaking, and under democratic principles, it is not possible except by an act of faith to adjudge the elections by electronic means to be Legitimate.
Evolution? Revolution? Maybe just Realization that democracy needs to have its elections restored to the legitimacy obtained only by open and honest elections with robust public oversight.
It can't be government oversight, or appointed oversight. The government, getting all its power via elections, can not audit itself or recount itself --- that's as reliable as Enron auditing Enron, a step beyond Arthur Anderson auditing Enron, because, you know, conflicts of interest make for unreliable processes. That's just another reason why PUBLIC oversight is completely indispensable in elections.
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Paul Lehto (27 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 46 comments)
on Saturday, March 17, 2007 at 10:35:04 PM
All elections for a national office must be held as follows: 1. They must be held over a four day period that includes a Saturday and Sunday, and polls must be open a minimum of 14 hours on two days and a minimum of 18 hours on two days. 2. All voting must be done on paper ballots that are marked by hand by the voter, with the "intent of the voter" being the final deciding criteria. 3. Ballots must be counted by hand in full view of the public by three different election workers until their totals match exactly. 4. Totals of all ballot counts must be made public at the precinct level prior to any centralized tabulation.
I would have a separate article to grant the right to vote to all American Citizens not incarcerated or judged insane without regard for prior legal or mental status and make it a felony to knowingly perform or fail to perform any action that causes an American Citizen to lose their right to vote.
That's about 70,000 felony's for the current U.S. Attorney for Arkansas.
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Charlie L (2 articles, 3 quicklinks, 1 diaries, 674 comments)
on Sunday, March 18, 2007 at 11:05:44 AM
Don't forget to get rid of the federal reserve bank and the laws that protect corporations.
The federal reserve bank is an instrument of the devil and corparations should serve the interests of the people and this planet as a whole, not the greed of a few idiots who think that money is a goal instead of a method.
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Han (0 articles, 2 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 196 comments)
on Sunday, March 18, 2007 at 8:19:27 AM
Perhaps there is no harder effort attempted under this form of government than an attempt to rewrite the constitution. Nor a more unnecesary one, in my own opinion.
If you spend a little time reading the Federalist Papers, which were a series of articles appearing in New York newspapers, drumming up support for the proposed Constitution at a time when each of the new soon-to-be states were sceptical as heck of bestowing any power on a federal government. Especially New York itself which was wealthy as all get out from being the chief port of the new union.
Jefferson and Madison, the chief architects of the document, took great pains to write it as carefully deliniating the powers of the federal government being, in almost all cases, subservient to those of the individual states. I do not think necesary any rewriting of that document, only a stricter adherence to it and a much, much greater role of the individual in the daily tasks of the government, at a state and local level.
Frankly I fail to find any wisdom in Mr. Hirschorn's casual and a bit confusing dismissal of the efforts of third party politics. First he off handedly criticises the Greens and Libertarians for having success only at the state level. I cannot believe a man as intelligent as he appears to be thinks that those parties are unsuccessful because they didnt elect a Senator or President first crack out of the box. Then he claims support for the Populist Party , which, if memory serves, hasnt run or elected nearly the numbers of the Greens, which ran 374 candidates in 38 states for 66 different offices gaining 65 victories in '06.
This is not a response which intends to debate the relative merits of third party politics or which of them is the better choice. It is a response to the idea that a Constitutional crisis is at hand and that the method of combatting such a crisis is to hold a convention to alter and add to that document.
Yes, we have a crisis of democracy in this nation, because we the people have abrogated our responsibilities for maintaining this democracy, have allowed bullshit to go unchallenged or not carefully thought about enough before we vote, those few of us who actually do vote ,that is.
It is not the Constitution that has let our nation down, it is us. It is completely unnecesary, in my own opinion, and a waste of valuable time and effort as well, to attempt this massive task. It is also very, very likely, in this time of careless thought about politics and decision making, that the result would be a far inferior document to the one we now possess and tend to ignore far too often.
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ardee D. (6 articles, 4 quicklinks, 1 diaries, 2377 comments)
on Sunday, March 18, 2007 at 10:25:15 AM
The idea of a constitutional convention holds that our intensifying crisis can be fixed through purely mechanical or procedural means. But the roots of the crisis are not mechanical or procedural. They derive from the very structure of our society & economy, and any proposed "fix" ignoring this will be vulnerable to all the same corrupting forces that have driven us to this pass.
What would all the immensely powerful forces that have destroyed our democracy do, even if somehow 2/3 of the state legislatures joined the call for an article V Convention? No doubt, the D's & R's in Congress would quickly calculate that its effect would be to diminish the control of the duopoly, & would vote against it. Or, they'd find some way to control the proceedings, & fix the outcome to their liking. It would be no different than their reaction to calls for transparent elections or campaign finance reform.
Beyond that, the presentation in the interview pretends that the convention could be called and then, magically, "good things would happen." Thus, "the people" would attend the convention, and start making far-reaching changes, motivated only by their own innate wisdom. No articulated program would be advocated in advance, and supposedly, "everyone" (liberals & conservatives alike) would all get together and improve things.
This seems a preposterous expectation, because it presumes that most Americans today have the political consciousness required to accurately understand what has gone wrong, & the vision to see how to fix it. My feeling is that most Americans have been so systematically brainwashed by the media, schools, TV & the lies of D's and R's for several generations, that very few of them would be able to accurately analyze the problems, & evaluate possible solutions.
IMO, a concrete agenda should be advanced FIRST, then an attempt must be made to build support for it. One cannot simply take it on faith that an article V Convention would arrive at the right answers. Just as an example, suppose the proposed program included these points: 1) Immediate halt to the Iraq War and the phony "War on Terror" 2) Major cuts in defense spending, with the announced intent to begin dismantling the military-industrial complex 3) a Universal Health Care single-payer program 4) a societal committment to convert to alternative energy sources with all possible speed, & 5) efficient mass transit. // If the idea behind an article V Convention included these elements, fine, then I think the idea is exciting & worth working for. But without a clearly articulated agenda, I'd have no faith that the process wouldn't be hijacked by the powers that be; or that it would lead to any improvement at all.
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Richard Mynick (2 articles, 3 quicklinks, 1 diaries, 1168 comments)
on Sunday, March 18, 2007 at 1:12:54 PM
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