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September 16, 2007 at 10:07:33

Is Peace or Impeachment Possible?

by David Swanson     Page 3 of 5 page(s)

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Excuse #5:  We need to focus on ending the war. 

OK, but if you focus on ending the war for two full years and don't actually end it, I wish you luck getting people to turn out next November.  When Congress moved toward impeachment of Nixon, it found the nerve to end a war, and he backed off on his veto threats.  Congress passed a menu of progressive legislation in part because of, not despite, the impeachment threat hanging over Nixon.  And ultimately of course impeachment is going to be needed to end the current occupation of Iraq. 

Excuse #6:  Impeachment would be divisive. 

Actually that's not true among Democrats.  Eighty percent favor impeachment.  But as far as bipartisan harmony on Capitol Hill goes, the dangers of creating divisiveness is sort of like the danger of violence breaking out if we leave Iraq.  It's too late already!  And it's too late because the Republicans never give a damn for bipartisan harmony.  Were they in the majority with a Democratic president holding the all-time record for unpopularity, they would long ago have impeached him and forced every Democratic Congress member to either defend him or run away from their own party.  Does anybody remember Al Gore picking Joe Lieberman as a running mate and pretending he'd never met Bill Clinton?  That was the result of an impeachment without a Senate conviction.  (John Nichols says:  impeachment is not a constitutional crisis.  It's the cure for the one we're in.  Aspirin is not a headache crisis.  Impeachment is not a constitutional crisis.) 

Excuse #7:  We don't have the votes in the House to impeach. 

Well, you would if Pelosi whipped on it.  And Congress members back bills all the time that are not predicted to pass.  If their colleagues fail to join them, that's between their colleagues and their colleagues' constituents.  And again, impeachment usually does its work without getting all the way to impeachment.  A move to impeach for refusal to comply with subpoenas, for example, might result in compliance with subpoenas.  And it is the only thing that might.  Holding people in contempt through the courts will take forever and probably fail.  Inherent contempt is a tool Congress doesn't have the backbone for.  And Congress is not about to use either type of contempt against Bush or Cheney. 

Excuse #8:  We don't have the votes in the Senate to convict. 

Well, you might if you put the crimes on television and if the house impeached.  But you would do good for the nation and Democrats would do good for their party even with a Senate acquittal.  Nothing would better identify for the public the Senators who need to be thrown out of office.  And impeachment even without conviction would reverse the public perception of Democrats as having no spine.  They may hold even in the next election without impeaching anyone or getting us out of Iraq, but if they want to win new seats, and if they want to win the White House with a large enough margin to not have the election stolen, they will reverse their current position and act!

Excuse #9:  I won't sign onto Kucinich's bill because he hasn't asked me to, and he's a liberal, and he's running for president. 

Well, yes, dear Congressman or Congresswoman, but this is the government of the world's largest and most powerful empire.  This isn't high school.  We expect you to sign onto a bill based on the merits of it, or to introduce your own. 

Excuse #10:  You can't impeach over policy differences because you don't like war.  You have to impeach for a crime. 

Well, Kucinich's bill charges Cheney with the felony that involves misleading Congress and with the crime of threatening war on Iran. Cheney is on videotape doing so.  Conyers' book lists lots of felonies.  But in fact, not every crime is an impeachable offense and not every impeachable offense is a crime.  When Nixon cheated on his taxes or Clinton cheated on his wife and lied about it under oath, no impeachable offenses were committed.  When Nixon lied to the public or when Bush ignored warnings prior to 9/11, no crimes were committed, but the offenses were impeachable. 

Excuse #11:  If I backed impeachment, the media would be mean to me. 

Yes, Congressman; Yes, Congresswoman.  And if you don't people will die.  Which is worse?  A majority backs impeachment now for Cheney and a majority or close to it for Bush.  Those numbers will go up, not down, if you act, regardless of what the media says.  You know those 18 percent of Americans who approve of the job you're doing?  Even they don't like the media.  No campaign email raises more money than one that begins, "Fox News just attacked me." 

That's 11 excuses so far.  I think those 11 can be refuted.  The next four are harder to get around. 

Excuse #12:  Impeachment would make Bush and Cheney sympathetic and rally people around them. 

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DAVID SWANSON is a co-founder of After Downing Street, a writer and activist, and the Washington Director of Democrats.com. He is a board member of Progressive Democrats of America, and serves on the Executive Council of the Washington-Baltimore Newspaper Guild, TNG-CWA. He has worked as a newspaper reporter and as a communications director, with jobs including Press Secretary for Dennis Kucinich's 2004 presidential campaign, Media Coordinator for the International Labor Communications Association, and three years as Communications Coordinator for ACORN, the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now. Swanson obtained a Master's degree in philosophy from the University of Virginia in 1997.

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My name it means nothing, my age it means less. My deeds of activism are mine to enjoy and share as I feel necesary, not as some clown in a small forum's administration thinks I must..This place gets worse each and every visit.
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ardee D.My name it means nothing, my age it means less. My deeds of activism are mine to enjoy and share as I feel necesary, not as some clown in a small forum's administration thinks I must..This place gets worse each and every visit.
Member banned on June 3, 2008 for repeated abuse of editors.

The single finest article I have read in my time here

I thought that every word glowed with the inner light of truth and moral outrage and  I applaud you most vigorously for writing them. Not only have you put the lie of a powerless Democratic Party to rest ( hello you defenders of democratic complicity and incompetence, where are your rebuttals to these truths? C'mon Andy, c'mon Steve you know who you are!) but you nailed the only real course of action open to us:

 

"We can shut down the city of Washington.  The next big march is on the 29th, following a camp in front of the Capitol from the 22nd to the 29th.  If we bring a million people and on the 29th refuse to leave, if we block the streets and fill the jails, all bets and probably all wars are off.  "

by ardee D. (6 articles, 4 quicklinks, 1 diaries, 2388 comments) on Sunday, September 16, 2007 at 10:56:02 AM
 


Geery lived off the grid for 15 years in an earth-sheltered, solar heated home, while his kids learned in school that solar energy isn't feasible. NAPTA hosts a page on Geery's foibles in education, and explains how he got his butt fired from a tenured teaching position. Here's a short clip of his most recent solar contraption; for more on that project, and Geery's contention that the Wright Brothers took a wrong turn, please visit his airship page (hyperblimp.com). Apparently, Geery is the only...

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Daniel GeeryGeery lived off the grid for 15 years in an earth-sheltered, solar heated home, while his kids learned in school that solar energy isn't feasible. NAPTA hosts a page on Geery's foibles in education, and explains how he got his butt fired from a tenured teaching position. Here's a short clip of his most recent solar contraption; for more on that project, and Geery's contention that the Wright Brothers took a wrong turn, please visit his airship page (hyperblimp.com). Apparently, Geery is the only...

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Thank you, David

David Swanson has consistently shown vast insight, extraordinary grasp of the facts, clarity that I see nowhere else, an unyielding tenacity to genuine human values, a profound understand of government process, courage, and a magical quality of appearing with ideas and even physically at critical times and places.

I recommend that when you see his byline, you read or at least skim the article. You won't be disappointed.

And if I ever see David's name on a ballot, rest assurred that he will get my vote. 

by Daniel Geery (26 articles, 55 quicklinks, 121 diaries, 653 comments) on Sunday, September 16, 2007 at 12:17:14 PM
 


Ernest is not a professional writer. Nor well educated in political affairs. However, he has uniquely experienced life styles of those who have little.
ErnestErnest is not a professional writer. Nor well educated in political affairs. However, he has uniquely experienced life styles of those who have little.

Well lenngray................................

I kinda look at it like this...............you should've thought about your familiy before you chose Congress as a career.............walking a straight line and upholding the Law are prerequisits of these type positions................I suggest if you can't take the heat...........then it's time you get out of the kitchen......................................no sympathy here.......

by Ernest (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 129 comments) on Monday, September 17, 2007 at 10:54:22 AM
 


Virginia Simson is a spiritual journalista/activist who runs a visionary planetary tutorial blogspot, www.ladybroadoak.blogspot.com as well as a blog on the uranium industry and depleted uranium at www.lowlevelradiation.blogspot.com. She feels that we must educate the young as to the real issues of the day - economics, clean energy, a drug free lifestyle, friendship and concern for the environment. We must plan for seven generations in the future. She unconditionally supports impeachment and...

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ladybroadoakVirginia Simson is a spiritual journalista/activist who runs a visionary planetary tutorial blogspot, www.ladybroadoak.blogspot.com as well as a blog on the uranium industry and depleted uranium at www.lowlevelradiation.blogspot.com. She feels that we must educate the young as to the real issues of the day - economics, clean energy, a drug free lifestyle, friendship and concern for the environment. We must plan for seven generations in the future. She unconditionally supports impeachment and...

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Thank you. Totally timely ...

 

 Something is up with posting OpEd News links all day today and so I've had to leave them out in order to post anything here .. 

 

The new nomination of the creepy Michael Mukasey has me riled. Maybe WORSE than Alito, which really got my goat back in the day .. I was posting everyone I knew to WARN Them what would happen in that case.

What annoys me is how hard it is to dig out anything about him, as the urls proliferate like mad about his Jose Padillo bs .. and I am positive there is much more . and we must make certain it ALL comes to light, as this appointment may be hard to stop without exposing his entire "polical" stance,l as the right wingers are already setting up scenario that says "he may be political, but he'll up hold the Constitution" .. As we can see, he put the last of the 10 civil rights up for cancellation ..

There appears to be nothing BuZh&Co. does that doesn't have a very hidden agenda. So what is it here ..?

Here comes the latest which ran in the daily kos, the link simply will not take ...



Now if this allegation below (no reason to think it isn't) is TRUE, it could well be an additional reasoon that Mukasey is the pick .. being PRO Labor racketering (He and his committee covered it up) which is USEFUL if the North American Union comes into being!!! He is accused of helping CONGRESS cover up dirty money ... (which could explain why Congress would let him in AND further the NWO agenda at the same time ...

QUESTION FOR EXAMINATION
Did the Mukasey Panel by and through their Summary Order 03-3117 filed
January 14, 2004 (attached) continue a systematic pattern to hide documented Judicial
Fraud and Extra Judicial Acts of Misconduct committed by District Judge Janet C. Hall
– doing so by intentionally avoiding the procedural process of a 28 U.S.C. 455 affidavit
and motion (the premise of the appeal) in order to circumvent the standard of review for
a 28 U.S.C. 455 motion, that being: "Impartiality might reasonably be questioned"?"

And this is from theguilianapapers. typepad.com about his son. .... interesting CONNECTION to the Guilani rightwingers. BINGO!!

Marc Mukasey - Partner at Bracewell & Giuliani where he "focuses on the defense of white collar criminal and regulatory cases." The firm also states: "Recently, Mr. Mukasey has been successful in persuading Department of Justice prosecutors to close an antitrust investigation against a major corporation without the filing of charges, and to drop securities fraud and mail fraud investigations of his business clients. He also successfully argued a downward departure motion that secured a favorable outcome for his client in the face of vigorous opposition by the Department of Justice." Marc's father, Michael Mukasey, former chief judge of the Southern District of New York, is also a member of Giuliani's Justice Advisory Committee.

And you may want to search antiwar dot ome showing how Mukasey's brand of justice shown in the Padilla case will totally decimate the US Bill of Rights .. again, the link won't take but go to antiwar dot come and look for horton and article Id 6919.

 

I've had trouble with OpEd News links all day, and so have my ebuddies.

If people find other interesting links on this, perhaps they could post them here iffen they can....? I meant to write on this topic for OpEd today .. as this is so highly troubling. More is going on than meets the eye ...

by ladybroadoak (37 articles, 20 quicklinks, 12 diaries, 386 comments) on Sunday, September 16, 2007 at 11:20:23 PM
 


I feel there is only one thing left to do - fight forces of ignorance and hate in any manner I am capable. If indeed this life prepares you for next, I want to go out shinning a light of love and to never harm another living thing in any way, outside of protecting innocents and myself from direct harm, I will not use violence, nor because of my life-style have violence perpetrated on others. Currently I'm a cartoonist and contributing writer for The New Orleans Levee. www.nolevee.com
Mr MI feel there is only one thing left to do - fight forces of ignorance and hate in any manner I am capable. If indeed this life prepares you for next, I want to go out shinning a light of love and to never harm another living thing in any way, outside of protecting innocents and myself from direct harm, I will not use violence, nor because of my life-style have violence perpetrated on others. Currently I'm a cartoonist and contributing writer for The New Orleans Levee. www.nolevee.com

#12

#12 - well, you see, we're (us so-called representatives of the people) all are kind of guilty because we really don't give a fat-rat's-ass about all you piss-ant peasants. You Cindy Sheehans, Michael Moores, Charlie Sheens, Sean Penns or any of you other David Swansons out there can think say or do anything as long as you don't get in our way. For we will kill you and get away with it. For you see we're nothing but shills for the ones that have their hands up our butts like so many hand puppets telling us what to say.

It took Monks burning themselves to death in front of the White House last time things got bad.

Things are much worse now.

Now what will it take?

by Mr M (4 articles, 0 quicklinks, 4 diaries, 1026 comments) on Monday, September 17, 2007 at 2:47:43 AM
 


KEVIN STODA has been blessed to have either traveled in or worked in nearly 100 countries on five continents over the past two and a half decades.  He sees himself as a peace educator and have been   a promoter of good economic and social development--making him an enemy of my homelands humongous spending and its focus on using weapons to try and solve global issues."I am from Kansas so I also use the pseudonym 'Kansas' when I write and publish.  I...

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ALONEKEVIN STODA has been blessed to have either traveled in or worked in nearly 100 countries on five continents over the past two and a half decades.  He sees himself as a peace educator and have been   a promoter of good economic and social development--making him an enemy of my homelands humongous spending and its focus on using weapons to try and solve global issues."I am from Kansas so I also use the pseudonym 'Kansas' when I write and publish.  I...

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In fact the threat of impeachment is usually enough to resto

This is an important quote. "In fact the threat of impeachment is usually enough to restore a level of justice and democracy in Washington, D.C.  A promise not to impeach, on the other hand, tends to encourage abuses of power and is itself an unconstitutional abuse of power."  I spent September 15 writing to 5 congressmen on behalf of the IMPEACH FOR PEACE campaign http://impeachforpeace.org/ImpeachNow.html.   I recommend we all write them and our own local congressmen and send letters to newspapers or put them on line--plus speak out in front of all local media!

by ALONE (113 articles, 1 quicklinks, 4 diaries, 246 comments) on Monday, September 17, 2007 at 3:44:33 AM
 


KEVIN STODA has been blessed to have either traveled in or worked in nearly 100 countries on five continents over the past two and a half decades.  He sees himself as a peace educator and have been   a promoter of good economic and social development--making him an enemy of my homelands humongous spending and its focus on using weapons to try and solve global issues."I am from Kansas so I also use the pseudonym 'Kansas' when I write and publish.  I...

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ALONEKEVIN STODA has been blessed to have either traveled in or worked in nearly 100 countries on five continents over the past two and a half decades.  He sees himself as a peace educator and have been   a promoter of good economic and social development--making him an enemy of my homelands humongous spending and its focus on using weapons to try and solve global issues."I am from Kansas so I also use the pseudonym 'Kansas' when I write and publish.  I...

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I POSTED THIS COMMENT TO MY LOCAL NEWSPAPER JUST NOW!

This morning I was reading David Swanson's brilliantly argued IS PEACE OR IMPEACHMENT POSSIBLE?--a piece on the ability, need and requirement for our congressmen to impeach the president and vice-president.  If interested, you can read it youself at OP-ED.

One of his better arguments by Swanson is that: "You won't hear much about it on the news, but a bill had been introduced in July to impeach Gonzales, and it was gaining support during the August recess.  In fact a bunch of Congress Members added their names to the list of cosponsors this month even though Gonzales had already announced his resignation.  This was not the first time that an effort to impeach helped force out an unjust attorney general.  An effort to impeach Richard Nixon forced him out as well.  An effort to impeach Harry Truman led to the Supreme Court checking his abuses of power.  In fact the threat of impeachment is usually enough to restore a level of justice and democracy in Washington, D.C.  A promise not to impeach, on the other hand, tends to encourage abuses of power and is itself an unconstitutional abuse of power."

I believe that if we don't stop this warring president and his side-kick or manipulator, Dick Cheney, our grandchildren and their grandchildren will cry out in dismay:  "Granddaddy, why didn't anyone stop those guys from lying, leading the country to their unthought out wars and destroying our precious consitution and country?"

ALL REAL AMERICANS AND TRUE CONGRESSMEN NEED TO GET ON THE BANDWAGON OF HISTORY--IMPEACH THE LIARS AND MANIPULATORS NOW!!!!

get everyone else in the USA to follow suit! 

 

by ALONE (113 articles, 1 quicklinks, 4 diaries, 246 comments) on Monday, September 17, 2007 at 4:13:01 AM
 


Just another lacky for Peace and Impeachment
LickBushJust another lacky for Peace and Impeachment

A Suggestion

Great Article, Thank you!

I have a suggestion that might, just might have an impact.  If we can spread the word,   "No Dem Donations in October"   To let these jokers know how many of us, simply want an investigation, if they are impeached, great,  but at least try.

 They are dying for $$$$$ if enough people STOP donating they will listen.

 

Cheers

 

by LickBush (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 7 comments) on Monday, September 17, 2007 at 5:15:22 PM
 

 

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