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November 2, 2007 at 17:19:41

Headlined on 11/2/07:
A Brief on the Use of Water Torture by American Officials in the War on Terrorism

by William John Cox     Page 3 of 3 page(s)

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Current CIA director Michael Haden has admitted that aggressive interrogation methods conveying imminent death have been used by the CIA in "small, carefully run operations" against fewer than 35 prisoners since 2002. In September 2007, Hayden removed water torture from the list of approved "enhanced interrogation techniques" authorized by President Bush in 2002. However, CIA officials are still authorized to force prisoners to stand for long periods of time, handcuffed with their feet shacked to the floor, exhausted and sleep deprived, for up to 40 hours. This method of torture was described in A Question of Torture as a favorite of the KGB. in that it "produces excruciating pain, as ankles double in size, skin becomes tense and intensely painful, blisters erupt oozing watery serum, heart rates soar, kidneys shut down , and delusions deepen."

Hayden was recently asked: "Is waterboarding torture and will you continue to waterboard? Yes or no." Haden replied "Judge Mukasey cannot nor can I answer your question in the abstract. I need to understand the totality of the circumstances in which this question is being posed before I can give you an answer."

CONCLUSION

Whether or not the nominee actually believes that "waterboarding" is or is not torture really begs the question. The real question is whether the president is above the law and whether or not, as the Attorney General, the nominee will enforce the law on behalf of the people of the United States, even as against the wishes of the president who appoints him.

When asked during Committee hearings if the president was required to obey federal statutes, the nominee replied, "That would have to depend on whether what goes outside the statute nonetheless lies within the authority of the president to defend the country." The Constitution empowers Congress to make laws and to "provide for the common defense." It’s the job of the president, including the Attorney General, to enforce the laws made by Congress. Our president has taken an oath to preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States, not to subvert the valid laws enacted by our Congress.

The nominee should be required, not only to state whether "waterboarding," as commonly understood, is torture within the meaning of the law, including statutes, treaties, and the Constitution, but to also state whether other forms of approved torture are also unlawful.

Finally, the nominee must reassure all of us that the president, even acting as Commander in Chief, has no choice but to obey a valid federal statute. Unless and until he makes such a clear and unequivocal statement, the Senate should withhold its consent to his nomination and should so advise the president.

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William John Cox authored the Policy Manual of the Los Angeles Police Department and the Role of the Police in America for a National Advisory Commission during the Nixon administration. As a public interest, pro bono, attorney, he filed a class action lawsuit in 1979 petitioning the Supreme Court to order a National Policy Referendum; he investigated and successfully sued a group of radical right-wing organizations in 1981 that denied the Holocaust; and he arranged in 1991 for the publication of the suppressed Dead Sea Scrolls. His recent book, You're Not Stupid! Get the Truth: A Brief on the Bush Presidency is reviewed at www.yourenotstupid.com.

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Mother of 6, grandmother of 16, great grandmother of 36 and great-great grandmother of 2 and loving every minute of it. I want a better world for us all than the mess we have now.
RaeMother of 6, grandmother of 16, great grandmother of 36 and great-great grandmother of 2 and loving every minute of it. I want a better world for us all than the mess we have now.

Torture

Perhaps those that condone it and those who agree to carry it out should be required to experience it. In my opinion you at least should know what you're talking about before you okay it to be used on others.  Let's start with Cheney, then Bush and on down the line including the rubber stampers among the elected.

by Rae (0 articles, 1 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 219 comments) on Saturday, November 3, 2007 at 5:35:17 PM
 


Armed with word, song, and sequencer, Mars delivers social analysis, dreams and blueprints for change. She survived the 1999 National Poetry Slam, has performed all over Chicago, and has been a featured speaker at many political rallies. Born in New England in the radical 60's, Mars is a veteran political activist, performance artist/musician, chocoholic, early childhood educator, photographer, sky-watcher, single mom of a rebel in training, and proud African-american bowl of gumbo.
Mars CaultonArmed with word, song, and sequencer, Mars delivers social analysis, dreams and blueprints for change. She survived the 1999 National Poetry Slam, has performed all over Chicago, and has been a featured speaker at many political rallies. Born in New England in the radical 60's, Mars is a veteran political activist, performance artist/musician, chocoholic, early childhood educator, photographer, sky-watcher, single mom of a rebel in training, and proud African-american bowl of gumbo.

Similar to "This product not tested on animals" ?

Perhaps we could design a logo that identifies news sources etc as "This information not obtained through torture."  Instead of the little bunny with the bar/circle, it might be the shape of the hooded and wired-to-a-box Iraqi with the bar/circle.  FOX won't be displaying it, of course, since they volunteered a staff member to try waterboarding on himself and then said it wasn't that bad.  And I think the John Kerry camp would not get the logo on any of their documents and speeches after allowing the tasaring of the U of Florida student.  The list of who can't display such a logo increasingly seems to outnumber the list of who CAN...

by Mars Caulton (1 articles, 1 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 79 comments) on Sunday, November 4, 2007 at 12:08:02 AM
 


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Whereas, Senate Democrats want to have it both ways

" The Senate had a chance to settle the question in September 2006 when Sen. Ted Kennedy offered an amendment to declare waterboarding and other coercive interrogation techniques a violation of Common Article 3 of the Geneva Conventions. His amendment lost 46-53. So Senate Democrats are now demanding that Mukasey declare waterboarding a violation of Common Article 3 when the Senate declined to do the same just a year ago."

Full article here:
http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=OTE1NGU4NDQxOWU2YTZiOWM2N2Q4YjQ4OGEzZjZhZGM=&w=MQ==

by tim bristol (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 15 comments) on Saturday, November 3, 2007 at 6:42:28 PM
 


Irv Thomas, ratrace escapee and cultural outsider for 35 years, editor of Black Bart Brigade during counter-culture days, hides out in Seattle. Presently putting out a sporadic pre-formatted email newsletter called Irv's Scrapbook, which can be had at no cost if you send me an email address for it.
IrvthomIrv Thomas, ratrace escapee and cultural outsider for 35 years, editor of Black Bart Brigade during counter-culture days, hides out in Seattle. Presently putting out a sporadic pre-formatted email newsletter called Irv's Scrapbook, which can be had at no cost if you send me an email address for it.

Certain proper uses of otherwise deplorable techniques...

I think that in certain cases waterboarding may be justified. For instance, consider the matter of a president or vice president, sworn to uphold the Constitution (which includes provision for the separation of powers) who wilfully and consistently refuses to recognize a justified call by the Congress for information or testimony from that elected official pertinent to the investigative duty of the Congress. In such instances, the security and welfare of the people of the United States may be severely compromised, for we have no other protection against an adminstration bent on its own course despite their sworn oath to abide by the provisions of the Constitution.

Yes, we do have the recourse of impeachment — or we once did — but waterboarding is so much more expedient!

by Irvthom (6 articles, 2 quicklinks, 2 diaries, 75 comments) on Saturday, November 3, 2007 at 8:42:03 PM
 

 

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