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September 4, 2007 at 11:45:52

The Holt Bill, H.R. 811, and the MoveOn.org "poll"

by Jerry Berkman     Page 3 of 3 page(s)

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MoveOn out of touch for Election Integrity issues?

MoveOn's messages on Election Integrity always come from Noah Winer, who is MoveOn's Media Action Director. I am on many Election Integrity mailing lists, have attended many conferences, and read much on Election Integrity. However, I have never seen anyone identifying themselves with MoveOn in any of those places in the past few years. I think if MoveOn wants to play a role, they should have someone spend who can spend a considerable amount of time on Election Integrity issues. If not, they shouldn't issue alerts just because someone at PFAW or Common Cause tells them to.



Who is for H.R. 811?

There are a few people in the Election Integrity community who are actively campaigning for H.R. 811. One is Kathy Dopp of the National Election Data Archive. She summarizes her views in An Analysis of the "Voter Confidence and Increased Accessibility Act" (H.R. 811) . PFAW and Common Cause are for H.R. 811; in fact Ralph Neas of PFAW is supposed to negotiated the compromise of July 27.

What if I voted already in the MoveOn poll?

If you still have the MoveOn email and want to change your vote, try voting again. I'm not sure what this does; there is no error message, so it is worth a try.

Additional resources:

Brad Blog's H.R. 811 resource page

Black Box Voting

Bruce Schneier's CryptoGram Newsletter - lead article is on Voting Systems and presents an entirely different perspective on security.

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Jerry Berkman has been active in the Election Integrity movement since the 2004 election. He helped organize the grassroots support for the campaign of Debra Bowen to be California Secretary of State. Jerry retired in May, 2005 after working for 35 years as a computer programmer, the last 30 at the University of California, Berkeley. He earned a Computer Security Certification from the SANS Institute in 2003, with a paper on Security Issues in Running an Email Server.

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Tim Riley is a father, husband, technical writer, and internet news hound avidly interested in progressive politics, environmentalism, social justice, and playing with his two children.

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Do the ends justify the means? You decide. E-voting fun...

At the end of this post you can vote, many times, in the MoveOn poll if you are a member or not, though I don't necessarily say that you should.  Just as a car gives you the ability to speed over the limit, though nobody say you have to.

I have agreed with much that MoveOn has done in the past.  I dislike some of their stances against publishing articles that expose the fact that 9-11 was an inside job.  Also the coverage of the widespread (yet mostly unprovable) electronic voter fraud issues in the 2004 elections was very dissappointing.   It is my impression that overall, the people behind MoveOn are well-intentioned, but I hope that they follow the links in this article and take the criticisms to heart, because they are making a very serious mistake in supporting and advocating on behalf of this trojan horse that legitimizes secret source code to hide how votes are counted.  Additionally the paper is used for recounts only occur when some small margin of victory allows the paper to be used.  That condition can be avoided by undetectable vote counting fraud.  

Anyway, I expose this simple HTTP URL exploit to help gain attention from Noah Winer and the MoveOn Political Action Committee, so that they can read the opposition arguments for themselves.  I am sorry if this ruins any real polling that they want to do to see if members agree or dissagree, but because of the one-sided presentation of HR811, perhaps they don't really care about the informed decisions of their members as much as gaining consent to be a proponent for severely compromised voting "reform".  Below is a link that submits a response of "No we should not support HR811, the Holt bill."  You can click it repeatedly or perhaps better yet you can change the user ID represented by the seven sixes "6666666" in the URL. 

If they get enough votes on the User ID "6666666" from a lot of different IP addresses, then these savvy web masters will easily know that lots of somebodies (or a web virus) are trying to tip the vote scales.   If they have slightly more sophisticated controls (probably the other digits following the userID) then they will know that I am a very poor hacker and a bad boy for giving you this web link to abuse. 

I am not making you click here or to copy the shortcut and change the "6666666" to other seven digit numbers, but if you do, we can hope that Noah and MoveOn take the time to track this to this web page.  Maybe they may even see the errors in their ways. 

http://pol.moveon.org/thanks.html?id=11157-6666666-G.KPAb&t=5

 

by Tim Riley (7 articles, 5 quicklinks, 7 diaries, 130 comments) on Tuesday, September 4, 2007 at 5:05:07 PM
 

 

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