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June 9, 2008 at 10:23:40

Headlined on 6/9/08:
The Democratic Primaries 2008: Managing Electoral Dynamics Via Covert Vote-Count Manipulation

by Jonathan Simon     Page 3 of 4 page(s)

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While there is no obvious explanation for the pattern observed, one hypothesis worthy of investigation is that one set of counting equipment (either early-voting or at-precinct voting) was accessed by malicious insiders and manipulated. If the pattern of pro-Clinton shifts were to hold, the place to investigate first would of course be the at-precinct voting equipment and county central tabulators.

Having won Ohio and Texas, Clinton remained viable but still in dire straits, leading directly to the most polarizing and divisive phase of the nomination battle. 

4/23/08: Pennsylvania

In the 'quiet' interval during the six weeks prior to the Pennsylvania primary, the effects of Clinton's revived (but precarious) position had ample opportunity to play out. The Clinton campaign went on the offensive, with the type of personal, negative attacks that both campaigns had previously eschewed. Obama was relentlessly portrayed as elitist and out-of-touch by the Clinton campaign (and by Clinton herself), a depiction the mainstream media began to echo almost as relentlessly. And, sure enough, incidents emerged that played into this depiction-most notably Reverend Wright's sermons and Obama's own quote that seemed to both pigeonhole and patronize the working-class voters of Pennsylvania. These were replayed by the mainstream media in an endless barrage of coverage, all keyed to the theme that Obama might be too out-of-touch, and too close to the radical black fringe, to be president.

Obama appeared to successfully counter that round of negative attacks, and it appeared to have little or no impact in his polling support nationwide – nor, indeed, in Pennsylvania.  Obama went into the April 23 primary trailing Clinton by 5% or less in pre-election polls, with no late movement to Clinton detected. It was viewed as essential by mainstream media pundits that Clinton win "by double digits" to maintain her viability and pick up the momentum required to win decisive superdelegate support.

First-posted exit polls for Pennsylvania reflected pre-election expectations, with Clinton leading 51.6% to 47.8%, a 3.8% margin. By late in the evening, however, with the count mostly in, it was Clinton by 9.4%--close enough for the morning papers, networks, and websites to lead with Clinton's "double-digit" win.

As with New Hampshire, Ohio, and Texas, there was a wide range of irregularities, glitches, and vote suppression incidents reported.  Again, an exit poll disparity beyond the margin of error.  Again, a departure, in the familiar direction, from the range of pre-election polling.  And once again the final result was that Clinton received just enough to sustain her campaign, her "double-digit" victory, courtesy of a generous round-off. 

The Upshot

Just as with a spaceship's carefully-calibrated mid-course corrections that make an ultimate difference of millions of miles, it does not take much to radically change the course of a multi-election political contest. A few quick bursts from the retrorockets at the right moment(s) will do the trick.

Of course the dynamics of a campaign can change legitimately, as a result of the thrust and parry process, exposure of weaknesses, refutation of apparent inevitability, etc. But the shift in dynamics of the 2008 Democratic nomination contest strongly correlated with a string of election results that raised serious red flags independent of their impact on the race. Glaring discrepancies far beyond the margin of error of exit polls and pre-election polls, and the confounding of the expected electoral dynamics, produced results that had the precise impact of prolonging and intensifying the nomination battle.  Had the primary election results jibed with those independent measures and expectations, it would long since have been wrapped up.

Anyone actually in a position to take advantage of the vast array of security vulnerabilities in the computers that run our elections would have an obvious interest in remaining undetected.  The safest path would be to take only what you need to achieve your bottom-line goal, and not one vote more. Anything beyond adds risk without reward. Thus, in keeping with our hypothesis that the fundamental goal of primary contest electoral manipulation was to create "plausible defeatability" for the Democratic ticket in November, we would expect little additional manipulation in the last stages of the Democratic contest.  It is apparent that an Obama defeat in November (and more extensive Democratic losses in down-ballot races) can be spun as a plausible consequence of the intra-party strife that has already been depicted as weakening the party and its nominee, and of apparent Obama weaknesses exposed in the course of the grueling nomination battle. With such a cover story safely in place, even an against-the-odds Republican "victory" in November could be successfully spun and sold to the candidates, their parties, the media, and the voters.  

The "mystery adjustment" factor in polling

One final observation concerning the pre-election polling that sets expectations for candidates, the mainstream media, and the voters themselves.  We are deeply concerned that these polls too paint a false backdrop against which the signs of computerized electoral manipulation by insiders will appear diminished in magnitude over time, or even disappear. The reason for this concern is obviously not that the fraternity of pollsters are knowingly acting to support or conceal systematic computerized electoral manipulation, but rather that pollsters simply cannot expect to stay in business if they consistently fail to predict the "actual" electoral results.  The worst problem for a pollster is to be consistently "off" in the same direction. Put another way, pollsters are not paid for achieving some abstract statistical purity but rather for accurate predictions-however achieved.

If one places oneself in the position of a pollster who, time and again, is faced with results that are, say  6 – 8% more Republican than their predictions, or shifted in the direction the right wing would desire, it becomes clear that one would begin making a "mystery adjustment" to whatever data emerges from a clean survey methodology. Such an adjustment can be easily generated by changes in demographic weighting that can at least in part be justified by reliance on data emerging from previous elections, themselves manipulated. Call it a fudge factor if you will, but it keeps the pollster in business while failing to make such a correction would be professional suicide.

By way of corroboration of this phenomenon, in public dialogue with a major-party polling consultant the following shocking admission was made: if the Democratic candidate is not leading by 10% going into the election in their internal polling, they expect the race to be a toss-up. This internal candidate polling is-unlike polls published for public consumption-intended to paint a ruthlessly accurate picture of contest dynamics to help the party prioritize expensive get-out-the-vote drives and last-minute media blitzes.  The fact that even major-party pollsters must adjust their own results to account for the "mystery swing" to the right is a strong indication that much the same distorting protocol is already being employed in public pre-election polling.

When manipulated elections serve as the calibration tool for pre-election polling, we lose yet another independent check mechanism on the official computerized vote tabulation process. This only deepens the crisis. 

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Jonathan Simon, a graduate of Harvard College and New York University School of Law, is a member of the Bar of Massachusetts. He is also a Chiropractic Physician and directs the clinic Hands-On Health Associates in Cambridge. As a result of his prior experience as a political survey research analyst for Peter D. Hart Research Associates in Washington, Dr. Simon became an early advocate for an exit poll-based electoral "burglar alarm" system, independent of media and corporate control, to detect computerized vote shifting in Election 2004. In the absence of such a system, he was nevertheless able to capture and analyze critical official exit poll data briefly posted on the web prior to its election-night disappearance, data which served as an initial basis for questioning the validity of Election 2004. He has subsequently focused on developing election forensics protocols appropriate to the new technology of computerized voting systems. Dr. Simon is a co-founder of the Election Defense Alliance (www.ElectionDefenseAlliance.org), a national coordinating body for citizen electoral integrity groups and individuals. He also has worked closely with several other election integrity organizations. He has authored or coauthored numerous papers addressing statistical anomalies and other evidence of computerized election fraud, including most recently with Bruce O'Dell Landslide Denied: Exit Polls vs. Vote Count 2006 http://electiondefensealliance.org/landslide_denied_exit_polls_vs_vote_count_2006, presenting powerful evidence and analysis of systemic tabulation fraud, and (with O'Dell, Dale Tavris, and Josh Mitteldorf) Fingerprints of Election Theft: Were Competitive Contests Targeted? http://electiondefensealliance.org/fingerprints_election_theft , exposing the pattern of manipulation. He has also collaborated with O'Dell in the development of an effective handcount sampling protocol, Universal Ballot Sampling (UBS), to be deployed as a check mechanism where computerized vote tabulation is used.

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I'm a concerned citizen who is sick of the corruption in our government and hoping for change.

Obama '08

AllDems08I'm a concerned citizen who is sick of the corruption in our government and hoping for change.

Obama '08

Stalin, anyone?

Holy Cow! Thanks for writing this article - I knew it was bad, but this is awful. We've got to go back to plain old hand counted paper ballots - and make it a neighborhood affair - to count the votes in a totally transparent way.

Hope for a Change this year -- we need a veritable Tsunami of voters for Obama. NO MORE reThugs.

Thanks again - I'll try to spread the link around.

by AllDems08 (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 90 comments) on Monday, June 9, 2008 at 11:26:32 AM
 


Charlie Levenson is a writer and activist in Portland, Oregon. In addition to serving as the Manager of Electronic Communications for a social/athletic club in Portland, he instructs in Digital Media at Portland State University, consults on communications strategy, and occasionally writes/directs videos.
Charlie LCharlie Levenson is a writer and activist in Portland, Oregon. In addition to serving as the Manager of Electronic Communications for a social/athletic club in Portland, he instructs in Digital Media at Portland State University, consults on communications strategy, and occasionally writes/directs videos.

AGREE and DISAGREE

I do not at ALL doubt that the Democratic Primary process might have been manipulated to keep it "close" in the hopes that such a result would benefit the Reghuglican candidate.

That said, this did not have to be a successful strategy.

If the two Democratic candidates (Obama and Clinton) had been going at it day-after-day saying "Vote for me, because I will be a great candiate to stop this Republican madness, because John McCain is an insane right-win neo-con who will bring another four years of miserable and failed Bush policies to the white house, and we must defeat John McCain in November and expose his lies, flip-flops, and total inability to govern" then that would have meant TWO people saying that every day to John McCain's ONE.

That would have had the MESSAGE that the eventual front-runner would have had to get out being GOTTEN out starting in April, rather than June.

It was Hillary Clinton and her inside-the-beltway, old-school-thinking, DCCC, SCCC, DNC advisors who had her out there fighting and saying negative things about OBAMA when she should have been DEFENDING OBAMA at every turn and ATTACKING McCain.

Yes, the Rethuglicans probably KNEW Clinton would act in a self-serving and anti-Democratic-Party way, but still, it was HER decision.

The strategy worked because one of the two candidates LET it work, otherwise it could have backfired, giving the Democrats a 2-1 (Really 3-1, as the media covers Bill equally with Hillary) advantage in the media game.

by Charlie L (2 articles, 4 quicklinks, 1 diaries, 715 comments) on Monday, June 9, 2008 at 1:19:51 PM
 


Mark A. Adams earned his BA in business administration with a major in finance and a minor in economics at the University of South Florida. He earned his law degree and his master of business administration at the University of Florida where he also worked as a teaching assistant in the Economics Department.

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Mark AdamsMark A. Adams earned his BA in business administration with a major in finance and a minor in economics at the University of South Florida. He earned his law degree and his master of business administration at the University of Florida where he also worked as a teaching assistant in the Economics Department.

Mark practiced law in Florida. In 2006, Mark represented Max Linn, the Reform Party candidate for Governor of Florida, in successful lawsuits brought against the media to re...

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Secret Vote Counting is Unconstitutional and Unreliable!!!

Dr. Simon's analysis of the disparities between the polls and the official "counts" shows that the most logical explanation is that the secret vote counting computers are being used to manipulate the outcome of our elections!  That may explain why secret vote counting is unconstitutional.

For more information, see Project Vote Count’s Election News at http://www.projectvotecount.com/ElectionNews.aspx

My article, "Virginia’s Elections Are UNCONSTITUTIONAL?!?!" includes a link in my comment to a video of my conversation with election officials in Virginia who pretend not to understand that computers count in secret. They say no one ever even thought of that. Yeah, right!?! It also includes a link to my letters to each candidate asking them to take action to require that our elections be conducted in a constitutional manner. Naturally, not a single one took action.

In addition, it cites U.S. Supreme Court decisions which hold that the right to vote includes the right to make sure your vote is counted.  How can you do that when your vote is counted in secret and the courts and even Congress refuse to allow evidence to be presented in election contests?  For more on that, see  http://www.opednews.com/articles/opedne_mark_ada_070919_how_to_take_action_o.htm

by Mark Adams (19 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 243 comments) on Monday, June 9, 2008 at 3:26:25 PM
 


Politically, I lean Libertarian. When discussing issues, I will slam Dems and/or Republicans.

Now, when it comes to really irritating me, just make an unfounded charge; I will call out whomever makes the charge if there are no facts to back it up! Another version of this is when I see something that is just plainly silly/ridiculous.

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steve scheetzPolitically, I lean Libertarian. When discussing issues, I will slam Dems and/or Republicans.

Now, when it comes to really irritating me, just make an unfounded charge; I will call out whomever makes the charge if there are no facts to back it up! Another version of this is when I see something that is just plainly silly/ridiculous.

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So we are clear...


Nobody would vote for McCain because he/she could not bring him/herself to vote for Obama,  Obama will only lose if the vote is rigged?

 McCain, who is with us due to the fact that the early republican primaries were open to Dems and Independents....

Obama, who won because the candidate that he was facing, Hillary was an even worse choice than he is, YET here we are, already discussing how the election will be stolen in November due, LARGELY, to the fact that we now have these ludicrously unreliable voting machines thanks to the 2000 Florida hanging chad incident....

Thank you Al Gore... Thank you VERY MUCH...  (had he asked to have the whole state counted instead of cherry picking, he would have won the election Al Gore...  The man who actually stole the election from himself, Al Gore...

FANTASTIC!  I am thrilled to know that we are so much better off 8 years later!

 (BTW, I am not disagreeing with the overall premise, I am just out of my mind looking at this as I remember how it was that we got all the way to THIS!)

 Truly, we have the best government MONEY CAN BUY, and we have Republicans AND Democrats to thank for this....

 

Ciao, CZ 

by steve scheetz (4 articles, 0 quicklinks, 2 diaries, 673 comments) on Monday, June 9, 2008 at 7:24:54 PM
 


A concerned citizen and former mathematician/engineer now retired and living in rural Maine.
PrMaineA concerned citizen and former mathematician/engineer now retired and living in rural Maine.

It's a Hard Case to Make

...had he (Gore) asked to have the whole state counted instead of cherry picking, he would have won the election Al Gore...  The man who actually stole the election from himself, Al Gore...

Gore was defeated by a  Supreme Court that was determined to put Bush in the White House. 

You can play through all kinds of what if's (e.g., if only Nader had not run in Florida; if only the butterfly ballot had not been used; ...) but it really is hard to say what would have happened in each case.  In point of fact, Florida had no practical way in their laws for a candidate to request a recount of the entire state; it would have to be a separate request for each precinct. 

No doubt, the Republican noise machine would have had a field day if Gore had issued several hundred requests for recounts. 

by PrMaine (11 articles, 9 quicklinks, 2 diaries, 391 comments) on Monday, June 9, 2008 at 7:42:12 PM
 


Politically, I lean Libertarian. When discussing issues, I will slam Dems and/or Republicans.

Now, when it comes to really irritating me, just make an unfounded charge; I will call out whomever makes the charge if there are no facts to back it up! Another version of this is when I see something that is just plainly silly/ridiculous.

An example could be something stated which could be very easily disproved. Another example, and I see this frequently: Rather tha...

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steve scheetzPolitically, I lean Libertarian. When discussing issues, I will slam Dems and/or Republicans.

Now, when it comes to really irritating me, just make an unfounded charge; I will call out whomever makes the charge if there are no facts to back it up! Another version of this is when I see something that is just plainly silly/ridiculous.

An example could be something stated which could be very easily disproved. Another example, and I see this frequently: Rather tha...

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It is not a hard case to make.

He was shot down by the Supreme Court because he requested a re-count in certain precincts of florida, which is against the law, according to the Supreme Court.

Had he requested a full recount of the entire state, he would have gotten it, he would NOT have even had to go to court to GET IT, because of how close Florida happened to be.

 AND we all know, from all accounts, that had Florida been recounted, in its entirety, Al Gore would be president.

 That wasn't difficult at all...   ;-) 

Ciao, CZ 

by steve scheetz (4 articles, 0 quicklinks, 2 diaries, 673 comments) on Tuesday, June 10, 2008 at 7:57:04 AM
 


A concerned citizen and former mathematician/engineer now retired and living in rural Maine.
PrMaineA concerned citizen and former mathematician/engineer now retired and living in rural Maine.

It's Never Hard if You Ignore Reality

The reality is that the Supreme court was looking for an excuse, any excuse.  Given another set of circumstances they would have found a different excuse, but they would nevertheless have found an excuse to make sure that their candidate won.

At that time, the Florida Supreme court had already ordered a recount of the entire state of Florida, even though that is not what Gore had requested.  The Supreme court ruled that any recount would have caused irreparable harm to Bush.  That's probably true, since it would have shown him to have lost.   At the time of the Federal Supreme court decision, it was not an issue whether the recount was to be of part of Florida or of all of Florida.

If you want to argue that this was an error on the part of the Gore campaign, argue that asking for a full recount would have been a more defensible position politically.  That is an arguable position, though there were practical problems that made them decide otherwise. 

by PrMaine (11 articles, 9 quicklinks, 2 diaries, 391 comments) on Tuesday, June 10, 2008 at 11:30:57 AM
 


A concerned citizen and former mathematician/engineer now retired and living in rural Maine.
PrMaineA concerned citizen and former mathematician/engineer now retired and living in rural Maine.

I could swear

that was exactly the point I made.

SCOTUS did stand in the way of a full recount in Florida, despite the close vote count and despite any claimed errors on the part of Gore.

by PrMaine (11 articles, 9 quicklinks, 2 diaries, 391 comments) on Wednesday, June 11, 2008 at 6:36:52 PM
 


Politically, I lean Libertarian. When discussing issues, I will slam Dems and/or Republicans.

Now, when it comes to really irritating me, just make an unfounded charge; I will call out whomever makes the charge if there are no facts to back it up! Another version of this is when I see something that is just plainly silly/ridiculous.

An example could be something stated which could be very easily disproved. Another example, and I see this frequently: Rather tha...

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steve scheetzPolitically, I lean Libertarian. When discussing issues, I will slam Dems and/or Republicans.

Now, when it comes to really irritating me, just make an unfounded charge; I will call out whomever makes the charge if there are no facts to back it up! Another version of this is when I see something that is just plainly silly/ridiculous.

An example could be something stated which could be very easily disproved. Another example, and I see this frequently: Rather tha...

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well, you are wrong.

Seven justices (the five Justice majority plus Breyer and Souter) agreed that there was an Equal Protection Clause violation in using different standards of counting in different counties.

 

The Supreme Court held that there needed to be ONE standard for counting the ballots in the State..  Meaning that if one county was hand counted, they ALL had to be hand counted...  Gore did not ask for the whole state to be hand counted, because he thought he would LOSE...  Ironicially, that decision cost him the election win..

Ciao, CZ 

by steve scheetz (4 articles, 0 quicklinks, 2 diaries, 673 comments) on Thursday, June 12, 2008 at 9:10:02 PM
 


A concerned citizen and former mathematician/engineer now retired and living in rural Maine.
PrMaineA concerned citizen and former mathematician/engineer now retired and living in rural Maine.

We Will Have to Agree to Disagree

I think it comes down to the fact that, along with most other people in the world, I believe that Bush v. Gore was a partisan exercise by a disfunctional Supreme Court in disregard of the law, past precidents and their own philosophy of law.

You appear to believe, in contrast, that the Supreme Court acted honorably in Bush v. Gore with due regard to the law and past precidents.  You seem to be in agreement with most die-hard Republicans that Gore is at fault, probably without regard to the issue.  

These are probably irresolvable differences. 

by PrMaine (11 articles, 9 quicklinks, 2 diaries, 391 comments) on Friday, June 13, 2008 at 10:40:59 AM
 


Politically, I lean Libertarian. When discussing issues, I will slam Dems and/or Republicans.

Now, when it comes to really irritating me, just make an unfounded charge; I will call out whomever makes the charge if there are no facts to back it up! Another version of this is when I see something that is just plainly silly/ridiculous.

An example could be something stated which could be very easily disproved. Another example, and I see this frequently: Rather tha...

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steve scheetzPolitically, I lean Libertarian. When discussing issues, I will slam Dems and/or Republicans.

Now, when it comes to really irritating me, just make an unfounded charge; I will call out whomever makes the charge if there are no facts to back it up! Another version of this is when I see something that is just plainly silly/ridiculous.

An example could be something stated which could be very easily disproved. Another example, and I see this frequently: Rather tha...

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To be quite honest

I would have been happy to see the entire state recounted by hand, and simply put the matter to bed one way or another.  Gore could not have been a worse preznit than the current preznit, so I can't agree that I am in agreement with die hard republicans....

 However, to me, the standard as to whether they were partisan or not is irrelevant considering that there were 7 in agreement that the law was in fact the way that it was...  I don't always agree with the Supreme Court, but the equal protection  ruling was right on given the wording of the 14th Amendment...  Until that is changed, that is the way it is.

Anyway, Again, Gore would have won had the hand recount been applied to the whole state, and that is that...  I know we can agree on that, because that is documented fact.  Anyway, on the other, if you want to agree to disagree, that is fine, though I still think I can persuade you to my way of thinking!  :-D

 

Ciao, CZ 

 

by steve scheetz (4 articles, 0 quicklinks, 2 diaries, 673 comments) on Friday, June 13, 2008 at 3:53:05 PM
 


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My calculation reinforces Jonathan's already strong case.

What a terrific article by Jonathan Simon! Kudos! He must have spent hundreds of hours gathering pre-polling and exit-poll results for the critical states New Hampshire, Massachusetts, Rhode Island, Texas, Ohio, and Pennsylvania, and demonstrating that the official vote counts in each case displayed surprising and unexpected pro-Clinton disparities.

By January of this year, I had just developed a mathematical analysis of the disparities between the early balloting and at-the-precinct voting (no polling needed in this case) in the 2004 presidential Election in Arizona Legislative District 27 comprising about 80,000 registered voters, using public data obtained by my friend John Brakey by FOIA request. This analysis calculated the probabilities of these disparities being accidental (as in no rigging) and found them to be highly improbable. It was to have been part of my chapter for the new book edited by Mark Crispin Miller, entitled Loser Take All – Election Fraud and the Subversion of Democracy, 2000 – 2008. But at the last moment it was cut by the publisher for length considerations. (I want to say, however, that to their credit the part they did publish still tells a large part of the story without any distortion).

So when I heard of the totally bizarre disparity between the hand-counted and machine-counted ballots in the Obama-Clinton contest in New Hampshire (well described by Jonathan), I decided to apply my binomial analysis to calculate the probability of this having happened by accident. And essentially I found that probability to be a number so close to zero that it can't be conveniently looked up in a table:

http://www.opednews.com/articles/opedne_david_gr_080131_was_the_new_hampshir.htm

by David Griscom (4 articles, 0 quicklinks, 1 diaries, 30 comments) on Monday, June 9, 2008 at 8:26:21 PM
 


Michael Collins is a writer who focuses on clean elections and voting rights. See this summary of his articles plus Election 2004: The Urban Legend and groundbreaking research and commentary in "" His web site, Election Fraud News & The Money Party, offers a collection of resources and commentary on critical issues facing the country.
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Excellent and vital piece of analysis

Thank you! This is first rate. I've got questions about the exit polls but I suspect that they're doing much better than they did in 2004 with theire claimed 66% increase in "big city" turnout (impossible). In any event, they are the point of comparison with the "faith based" vote totals announced by localities and states.

Based on your insightful, power packed statement, lets see what follows.

"we have observed to date no battleground state primary with a significant[4] exit poll-vote count disparity in Obama's favor." Simon

1) Flawed polls/polling technique: If they've not gotten their at together, there would be some errors in Obama's favor and some in Clintons. There are only "errors" in Clinton's favor. Flawed polls/polling techniques is ruled out due to uniform benefit for one candidate.

2. Lets say that since 2004, the polling organization has been fixed and runs at peak efficiency. Now we're just dealing with random errors in polling - 1 in 20 or whatever the confidence interval is. We would not expect major discrepancies at all, except in maybe one case, given the total number of primaries. But what we saw was exit poll results out pacing Obama's reported totals in every case. Random polling error is ruled out.

3. There are only three options left. This one is simple - the polling company just likes Obama and exaggerates his exit poll totals. Not at all likely.

4. "The Bradley effect" - The exit polls are private. Why would anyone agreeing to participate not assume privacy unless they didn't care (in which case "Bradley" doesn't apply). Given the assumption of privacy and the acceptability to the public, in the broadest sense, of either candidate, there's no Bradley effect likely.

5. Finally, given the above, on primary day in every instance where Obama's exit poll numbers were higher than his vote count, the laws of statistics, mathematics, etc. were suspended and God intervened in behalf of Hillary Clinton. Silly isn't it, but that's what we're left with.

There is more than enough evidence here to seriously doubt the vote count in many of these states. Also, there's no clear way to examine that process or the technology to achieve vote totals. We're left with our well justified suspicions that it's a rigged game to favor whomever is doing the rigging. We don't know but we can narrow the usual list of suspects by asking who benefits (which does not provide a solution but narrows the field).

Outstanding work. Thank you.

by Michael Collins (105 articles, 16 quicklinks, 5 diaries, 355 comments) on Monday, June 9, 2008 at 8:48:03 PM
 


David L. Griscom, a Fellow of the American Physical Society, retired in 2001 from the Naval Research Laboratory in Washington, DC, where he had been a research physicist for 33 years. He has subsequently held visiting professorships of research at the Universities of Paris, Lyon, and Saint-Etienne, France, and Tokyo Institute of Technology; he was also Adjunct Professor of Materials Science and Engineering at The University of Arizona in Tucson. By virtue of his collaboration with John Brakey ...

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David GriscomDavid L. Griscom, a Fellow of the American Physical Society, retired in 2001 from the Naval Research Laboratory in Washington, DC, where he had been a research physicist for 33 years. He has subsequently held visiting professorships of research at the Universities of Paris, Lyon, and Saint-Etienne, France, and Tokyo Institute of Technology; he was also Adjunct Professor of Materials Science and Engineering at The University of Arizona in Tucson. By virtue of his collaboration with John Brakey ...

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There IS a way to find out who is doing the rigging!

Thank you, Michael, for your huge contributions to uncovering election fraud in these United States. 

…there's no clear way to examine that process or the technology to achieve vote totals. We're left with our well justified suspicions that it's a rigged game to favor whomever is doing the rigging. We don't know but we can narrow the usual list of suspects…

Here you’ve given me an opportunity to reveal to the world a great triumph by my friends back in Tucson, particularly Bill Risner, John Brakey, and Jim March.  John began by making FOIA requests for the election-computer data bases and soon began to discover irregularities.  Attorney Bill Risner accordingly filed a civil suit against the Pima County Elections Department and, as an “officer of the court,” carried evidence of possible criminal activity to the Arizona Attorney General (who whitewashed it).  See short history here:

http://impactglassman.blogspot.com/2007/12/concise-history-of-election-integrity.html

But recently Bill won his civil case …BIG TIME!

Pima County was ordered to release elections databases going back to 1998 to the political parties and pay $228,000 in legal fees to the attorney for the Democratic Party (Bill), which sued the county to force the records' release. Moreover, the Pima Board of Supervisors (BOS) dropped their idea of appealing this decision:

http://www.azstarnet.com/sn/fromcomments/242129.php

http://www.tucsoncitizen.com/daily/local/87120.php

I hasten to mention that, while the suit was formally on behalf of the Pima Democratic Party, its demand was that the election-computer data bases should be turned over to ALL major parties.  Moreover, as you can read in the first link I give above, the short history began with Republicans getting the notion that their primaries were being stolen …and not liking it.  In fact, a number of Republicans were fully behind this suit.  In particular, Republican BOS member Ray Carroll played an absolutely pivotal roll in convincing the BOS not to appeal:

http://www.soundandfury.tv/pages/brakey.html

#:-)

by David Griscom (4 articles, 0 quicklinks, 1 diaries, 30 comments) on Tuesday, June 10, 2008 at 10:12:49 AM
 


Retired Pastor and Show Me The Vote Board Member Activist since Election 2004.
Judith ConoyerRetired Pastor and Show Me The Vote Board Member Activist since Election 2004.

Democratic Primaries Maipulated?

Very well said, Jonathon and I loved the final statement about junking the machines and returning to hand counted paper ballots. Saying that publicly takes great courage for which you must be commended! Proprietary software- driven counting machines have no place in our democracy.

 

by Judith Conoyer (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 9 comments) on Monday, June 9, 2008 at 10:13:05 PM
 


Have submitted work to OpEdNews and others. Administer the website NotSee America and am writing a book on the take-over of America.
Dennis KaiserHave submitted work to OpEdNews and others. Administer the website NotSee America and am writing a book on the take-over of America.

The System that Should Be..

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The hand counted ballot is probably the best method although we must face facts, the computer is here to stay. Using that fact the absolute best system for gathering and tallying the votes is a system called seeVote. This system not only counts the votes but provides an internal audit to assure accuracy, verifies the vote by providing a printed receipt for the voter, tabulates the vote and then provides further verification to the voter that his/her vote was recorded as they intended. I direct your attention to http://www.seeVote.com to give you a first hand examination of this process.



by Dennis Kaiser (14 articles, 0 quicklinks, 15 diaries, 280 comments) on Tuesday, June 10, 2008 at 5:42:21 AM