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June 23, 2008 at 08:35:23

Headlined on 6/23/08:
Prosecuting War Crimes for Today and the Future

by Lawrence Velvel     Page 3 of 4 page(s)

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There are also those who will say that American courts will never call this country's leaders, or their minions like John Yoo, to account.  That almost surely is true now and will likely remain true for at least ten or twenty years, even though library stacks and internet servers already are fairly bulging with books, journal articles, internet essays, legal complaints, newspaper articles and other materials showing that horrendous crimes have been committed, and more evidence of and reasons for guilt are in process of being written down.  (Our courts are unlikely to act because, unlike in Germany or Iraq, our courts will be branches of the same government which committed the horrible acts, and will include deeply conservative political and judicial supporters of the acts.)  But, as we have already seen in the last few years, in Italy, Germany and France, there are courts, and there also are international tribunals, that will prosecute these people, either in person if they dare venture abroad so they can be caught there, or in absentia if necessary.  Even trials and convictions in absentia of current leaders would send a powerful message to future ones.  And who knows, perhaps someday in the distant future even American courts may be willing to punish the criminal miscreants, or to at least admit that serious crimes have been committed (just as American judges ultimately admitted defacto, decades later, the horribly miscreant nature of the internment of Japanese Americans in World War II).   

There will also be those who say, as is so typically American, that we should simply put Iraq behind us, should not seek "revenge" upon those responsible for it, and should just get on with life.  But that was said about Viet Nam in its day, helped lead to Iraq, and was largely responsible for the pardon of Nixon which taught American leaders like Bush and Cheney that they can evade punishment for horrible actions.  The "forget the past and get on with life" philosophy should not be indulged now any more than we indulged it with the Germans and Japanese.  Otherwise we will get more Viet Nams and more Iraqs because leaders will know they can get away with anything, will suffer no consequences to themselves.   

In his own time, in the vast cauldron of the Civil War, Lincoln said that the battle of today is not for today alone, but for a vast future.  That is equally true of the necessity of bringing to book the men who have led us to disaster twice in one lifetime, in Viet Nam and Iraq.   The battle to impose criminal responsibility upon them is not for today alone, but to safeguard a vast future.  Otherwise the future will be threatened by Executive lawlessness undertaken because of knowledge that leaders need fear no personal consequences, the future will be threatened by the possibility of more Viet Nams, more Iraqs, more violent denials of basic civil liberties because leaders -- especially leaders of a militaristic or highly conservative cast of mind -- will know they need fear no personal consequences.   

It is for all these reasons that I have called a conference to be held in Andover, MA on September 13 and 14, 2008.  The conference is entitled Planning For The Prosecution Of High Level American War Criminals.  The Conference is not intended to be only a discussion of violations of law that have occurred.  Although discussions of ideas and facts showing violations of law will take place, library stacks and the internet are, as said, already bulging with materials showing violations (although in the last analysis decisions on violations will be made by judges if leaders are brought to justice).  The Conference, rather, is intended to also be a planning conference, one at which plans will be laid, and necessary organizational structures will be set up, to pursue the guilty as long as necessary and to the ends of the earth in order to bring them before the bar of justice.  The underlying law and facts will be discussed in the context of laying plans to pursue the guilty in courtrooms so that in future there may be no more Viet Nams, no more Iraqs. 

The topics which will be discussed, and subjects on which plans will be laid, already include the following:            

1.    Brief introductory remarks stressing that the crimes and misconduct have now occurred twice in forty years -- in Viet Nam and then again in Iraq -- and that the high level perpetrators need to be punished (as occurred at Nuremberg and Tokyo in 1946) in order to ensure that people will not do these things again (as the Germans and Japanese have not committed their crimes again). 

2.    A discussion of his recent book, The Torture Team, by Philippe Sands, including how Executive Branch lawyers failed in their duties (yet remained in power or gained soft landings (as, e.g., federal judges and professors at leading law schools). 

3.    What domestic and international crimes were committed, which facts show crimes under which laws, and what punishments are possible. 

4.    What high level Executive officials (and federal judges and legislators too, if any) are chargeable with crimes.   

5.    What international tribunals, foreign tribunals and domestic tribunals (if any) can be used, and how to begin and prosecute cases in front of them. 

6.    What cases have already been brought, with what results and the reasons for the results. 

7.    What must be done to make the question of prosecutions an issue in the 2008 political campaign and to have the question become a significant subject in the media and on the internet. 

8.    Creating an umbrella coordinating committee with representatives from the various -- and increasing number of -- organizations that are involved in cases. 

9.    Creating a Center to keep track of and organize compilations of relevant briefs, articles, books, opinions, facts, etc. 

10. The possibility of having a Chief Prosecutor's office ala Nuremberg. 

11. Review and summary of the action items that have been decided upon.

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http://velvelonnationalaffairs.com/

Lawrence R. Velvel is the Dean of the Massachusetts School of Law, which educates the working class, mid-life people, minorities and immigrants. He is the editor of a journal called The Long Term View, hosts an hour-long TV book show called Books of Our Time, which appears in the New England and Mid-Atlantic states on Comcast's CN8 and is streamed on the internet, and hosts a radio program called What The Media Doesn’t Tell You.  The radio program, which is carried on World Radio Network and is streamed on the internet, discusses important matters which the media doesn’t disclose (or insufficiently discloses) and the reasons for the nondisclosure.

Velvel wrote a 1970 book on the constitutionality of the Viet Nam War and civil disobedience, and a recent quartet called Thine Alabaster Cities Gleam, comprised of:  Misfit In America; Trail of Tears; The Hopes and Fears of Future Years: Loss and Creation; and The Hopes and Fears of Future Years: Defeat and Victory.

Velvel blogs at velvelonnationalaffairs.com. His 2004 and 2005 posts have been published in Blogs From the Liberal Standpoint: 2004-2005.

 

 

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Wolfie

FUCK BUSH! AMEN

FELLOW CARLINISTS, THE KNOWLEDGE THAT LIBERTY WITHOUT EQUALITY

IS KAPITALISM. EQUALITY WITHOUT LIBERTY IS IMPOSSIBLE.

SO, REMEMBER TO SAY "FUCK BUSH" AND TELL ALL NON-CARLINISTS YOU

DESIRE BOTH LIBERTY AND EQUALITY. IF YOU ARE TOLD "FUCK CHENEY"

EMBRACE YOUR BROTHERS AND SISTERS AND THANK THE WORLD

THAT THIS DOG HAS ASKED YOU TO CARRY ON IN THE CARLINIST

TRADITION. CIAO!

by Wolfie (9 articles, 0 quicklinks, 33 diaries, 1208 comments) on Monday, June 23, 2008 at 11:09:54 AM
 


A United States Marine Corps Viet Nam Era Veteran trying to do what I can and expecting Congress, the Executive Branch, and the Judicial Branch, to do what they can to keep the nation strong and free by remaining true to the Constitution first of all.
Gene CappaA United States Marine Corps Viet Nam Era Veteran trying to do what I can and expecting Congress, the Executive Branch, and the Judicial Branch, to do what they can to keep the nation strong and free by remaining true to the Constitution first of all.

Nuremberg-eyewitness to history

Fill in the blanks 2008.

"Each defendant was accused of one or more of four charges: conspiracy to commit crimes alleged in other counts; crimes against peace; war crimes; or crimes against humanity. Specific charges included the murder of over" 1,000,000 Iraqis, "pursuing an aggressive war, the brutality of the" FORCED OCCUPATION,  "and the use of" ILLEGAL WEAPONS, Link CLICK HERE http://www.eyewitnesstohistory.com/pfnuremberg.htm  

Iraq "WAR CRIMES REPORT" is fully documented, distributed worldwide, translated into Arabic, describes the war crimes committed in Iraq from the very first day of the invasion, those responsible, and proposes "a mechanism for accountability" Link CLICK HERE http://www.consumersforpeace.org/pdf/war_crimes_iraq_101006.pdf   

George W. Guilty of Murder?
A prominent lawyer lays out a compelling case in THE PROSECUTION OF GEORGE W. BUSH FOR MURDER. Staggering evidence is collected against the president in a startling new book.
"The preferable venue for the prosecution of George W. Bush for murder and conspiracy to commit murder would be in the nation's capital, with the prosecutor being the Attorney General of the Unite States acting through his Department of Justice. This book, however, establishes jurisdiction for any state attorney general (or any district attorney in any county of a state) to bring murder and conspiracy charges against Bush for any soldiers from that state or county who lost their lives fighting Bush's war, which as you can see applies to every state in this nation", excerpt taken from renowned prosecutor Vincent Bugliosi's stunning, insightful, best selling book  "The Prosecution of George W. Bush for Murder". 

 

by Gene Cappa (35 articles, 0 quicklinks, 58 diaries, 258 comments) on Monday, June 23, 2008 at 2:40:51 PM
 


Stanimal is ???

I hear cries for freedom elsewhere, while the US becomes less so. I hear support for free markets, then demanding a bailout due to incompetence.
I roll my eyes at those that accuse others being oppressed while the US has and still continues to the same and much worse. Laughing at pinheads who purchase and profit from those they curse.

Every time I return to visit I see a country I no longer recognize. A shredded Constitution, a spineless Congress ...

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StanimalStanimal is ???

I hear cries for freedom elsewhere, while the US becomes less so. I hear support for free markets, then demanding a bailout due to incompetence.
I roll my eyes at those that accuse others being oppressed while the US has and still continues to the same and much worse. Laughing at pinheads who purchase and profit from those they curse.

Every time I return to visit I see a country I no longer recognize. A shredded Constitution, a spineless Congress ...

to see more of bio, click on member name

The entire former and current Bu$h Cabal

should be impeached, trials of Treason, and then be marched off to the Hague to face War Crimes charges against them. All members of Congress the M$M and any other promoters of this farce War Of Terror, should also face similar charges too.

Then lock them up at Gitmo for a lifetime of incarceration enduring what "Enemy Combatant's" have. Confiscate their illegal amassed fortunes and give it to UN humanitarian projects where-ever innocents have been terrorized both domestically and abroad.

Then the world will see that the USA is serious about prosecuting "Terrorist's" no matter who they are or where they come from.

The next Executive administration should be forced to close all military bases not within the borders of the USA, and the Pentagons budget reduced to less than 1% of GDP. All branches of the military can only be used for national defense of the "Homeland".

Governments departments such as the CIA, NSA and others that foment the usurpation of foreign governments will forever be destined to the rubbish bin of US history. Any private standing armies such as Blackwater and others, have their administration face charges of Treason, murder, theft or graft if these crimes have been committed and then no longer allowed to fester their delusional reason for existence.

Dismantle the USA's Military Industrial Complex so its scum of corporate lobbyist's can-not any more influence national policy. All employees presently engaged in DOD programs not deemed vital to national security will be retrained in non military program applications. All nuclear, biological and other WMD's in the US arsenal be destroyed, with the intent to encourage other nations of the world to do the same.

Have the newly elected Congress and Executive not only swear and allegiance to the Constitution, but also to a new document that states the USA will not or ever more use force to promote its foreign policy agendas and can only use diplomacy as a means to coerce foreign governments to do the same.

Have the educational system of the USA include a portion of its curriculum outline the the misguided aggressive nature of the country's past and why its important not to glamorize this part of US history in the future.

The USA will then have laid a foundation for other peaceful means for the world to try and just get along with each other for future generations to enjoy and benefit from.

 

 

by Stanimal (0 articles, 4 quicklinks, 23 diaries, 668 comments) on Monday, June 23, 2008 at 4:12:10 PM
 


August Adams is a CPA and holds a Masters Degree in Psychology. He is an activist striving to create a fair and just world for all.
August AdamsAugust Adams is a CPA and holds a Masters Degree in Psychology. He is an activist striving to create a fair and just world for all.

Add Pelosi and Conyers to the list

Along with the majority of the remaining Members of Congress

They walk in Lock step, together, creating a symbiotic fascist state, we don't need a miliatary coup and a Dictator when we already have a complicit, rubber stamp Congress and Senate.

The people are not represented. 

by August Adams (10 articles, 0 quicklinks, 1 diaries, 458 comments) on Monday, June 23, 2008 at 7:45:34 PM
 


Darren Wolfe is the former Eastern Vice Chair of the Libertarian Party of Pennsylvania. He grew up in Puerto Rico and lived in Venezuela for seven years, including the first year of Chavez' rule. His articles have appeared in OpEdNews.com, the Libertarian Penn, and the Nolanchart.com. News services such as the New York Post.com and Rational Review have published links to his work.

Anyone interested in a good game of chess can challenge me below, if you dare. LOL

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Darren WolfeDarren Wolfe is the former Eastern Vice Chair of the Libertarian Party of Pennsylvania. He grew up in Puerto Rico and lived in Venezuela for seven years, including the first year of Chavez' rule. His articles have appeared in OpEdNews.com, the Libertarian Penn, and the Nolanchart.com. News services such as the New York Post.com and Rational Review have published links to his work.

Anyone interested in a good game of chess can challenge me below, if you dare. LOL

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The problem is...

...that expecting Bush, et al to be prosecuted is expecting too much from the government. After all, who does the prosecuting? The government. So you really can't expect them to prosecute themselves, can you?

The moral of the story is that government doesn't work. As long as we have governments we'll have abuse of power. Better the stateless society

by Darren Wolfe (7 articles, 191 quicklinks, 104 diaries, 765 comments) on Monday, June 23, 2008 at 6:19:14 PM
 


CPA, University Lecturer Risk Finance, Major Royal Australian Infantry (Inactive) RFD, Former Mayor City of Greater Dandenong, Wife from Arabic speaking coutry, Former Lecturer Arabic & Islamic culture - Army Reserve Command & Staff College.
kwalshCPA, University Lecturer Risk Finance, Major Royal Australian Infantry (Inactive) RFD, Former Mayor City of Greater Dandenong, Wife from Arabic speaking coutry, Former Lecturer Arabic & Islamic culture - Army Reserve Command & Staff College.

No profit from crime!

I support a truth and reconciliation model to deal with these crimes but I feel that there is a case that those people who have committed or enabled these crimes should be stripped of the wealth power that they have so grievously misused. 

by kwalsh (2 articles, 0 quicklinks, 6 diaries, 217 comments) on Monday, June 23, 2008 at 9:50:44 PM
 


Virginia Simson is a spiritual journalista/activist who runs a visionary planetary tutorial blogspot, www.ladybroadoak.blogspot.com as well as a blog on the uranium industry and depleted uranium at www.lowlevelradiation.blogspot.com. She feels that we must educate the young as to the real issues of the day - economics, clean energy, a drug free lifestyle, friendship and concern for the environment. We must plan for seven generations in the future. She unconditionally supports impeachment and...

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ladybroadoakVirginia Simson is a spiritual journalista/activist who runs a visionary planetary tutorial blogspot, www.ladybroadoak.blogspot.com as well as a blog on the uranium industry and depleted uranium at www.lowlevelradiation.blogspot.com. She feels that we must educate the young as to the real issues of the day - economics, clean energy, a drug free lifestyle, friendship and concern for the environment. We must plan for seven generations in the future. She unconditionally supports impeachment and...

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Last night the DNC, despite overwhelming evidence

have refused to IMPEACH.

The action must be now taken to the states.

http://www.naag.org/attorneys_general.php

Lawyers like Vervel were NO HELP.

Kinda like Scott McClellan .. 

We must now organize at <b>state</b> level, sad to say.

Torture cannot be done in our name, under the US Constitution, but who cared?

Let's just hope that no false flag or anthrax attack or something else goes off before we get our JUSTICE.

 

by ladybroadoak (38 articles, 20 quicklinks, 12 diaries, 391 comments) on Tuesday, June 24, 2008 at 7:41:07 AM
 


Virginia Simson is a spiritual journalista/activist who runs a visionary planetary tutorial blogspot, www.ladybroadoak.blogspot.com as well as a blog on the uranium industry and depleted uranium at www.lowlevelradiation.blogspot.com. She feels that we must educate the young as to the real issues of the day - economics, clean energy, a drug free lifestyle, friendship and concern for the environment. We must plan for seven generations in the future. She unconditionally supports impeachment and...

to see more of bio, click on member name

ladybroadoakVirginia Simson is a spiritual journalista/activist who runs a visionary planetary tutorial blogspot, www.ladybroadoak.blogspot.com as well as a blog on the uranium industry and depleted uranium at www.lowlevelradiation.blogspot.com. She feels that we must educate the young as to the real issues of the day - economics, clean energy, a drug free lifestyle, friendship and concern for the environment. We must plan for seven generations in the future. She unconditionally supports impeachment and...

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I stand to be corrected ..

and I offer my profound apologies.

This conference is necessary; I just felt it was too late, as I am an empath.

This is precisely what MUST be done for many reasons, which I am now aware of.

I will be there with bell's on!  Bringing, I pray, a Canadian contingent in tow.

Again, if you see this Lawrence Velvel, I apologize.

 

by ladybroadoak (38 articles, 20 quicklinks, 12 diaries, 391 comments) on Monday, June 30, 2008 at 7:01:19 PM
 


I am a concerned citizen(and musician) of Canada,watching the madness unfold to my south. I am hoping to connect some of the dots between the Bush/Cheney regime, the neo-conservatives, the C.I.A, the military, and of course oil and the banking institutions. It is becomming quite obvious to most people who still retain their critical thinking skills the corruptness that pervades the current administration.
nakedtruthI am a concerned citizen(and musician) of Canada,watching the madness unfold to my south. I am hoping to connect some of the dots between the Bush/Cheney regime, the neo-conservatives, the C.I.A, the military, and of course oil and the banking institutions. It is becomming quite obvious to most people who still retain their critical thinking skills the corruptness that pervades the current administration.

Be aware

There is one more thing you need to  be aware and prepared for. The people that are guilty of these crimes will go( as we have seen) to any length to protect their  interests. If we only knew how many people have been murdered, tortured, threatened, blacklisted, and paid off that have dared to threaren the criminal element  in government.

 There may be attempts  to derail, discredit, or sabotage an event like this. (apart from the usual corporate blackout).

   good luck.  

   
 

by nakedtruth (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 38 comments) on Tuesday, June 24, 2008 at 11:45:19 PM
 

 

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