And I support websites like WikiLeaks, and I support whistleblowers. And I think it's important to have strong legislation for sources. And I find it to be appalling that what the U.S. authorities and others, that obviously fear that their information is going to be made available to the people that should have access to it, are trying to criminalize whistleblowers, and they're trying to criminalize those that make their material accessible for the rest of us.
AMY GOODMAN: Just to clarify the significance of this videotape, which Democracy Now! played also last spring, the release of the videotape of July 12th, 2007, that showed a U.S. Apache helicopter, it was taken by the military from the helicopter, targeting a group of Iraqis below. Two of them worked for Reuters, and they were being taken around by people in the community in New Baghdad in Iraq. And they opened fire on them, and they killed Namir Noor-Eldeen, as well as Saeed Chmagh, his driver, the two Reuters employees. And Reuters had tried for years to get a copy of this videotape, which they knew existed, and they were not able to. And it was only through this release that we now understand what happened. And then the van came up to help, I think it was Saeed Chmagh, who wasn't quite dead yet, though blown up, and the helicopter attacked the van. And those are the two children you're talking about who were severely injured inside. Others were killed.
BIRGITTA: Yeah, they only survived because, I think, their father's body covered them. They killed their father. His father--the children's father was driving them to school, noticed the wounded man, and tried to help him. And they were all killed as a result of that. Except the children, by some miracle, survived. And I think it was actually interesting, there was an interview with the chief of Amnesty International in Iceland just after she had seen the video, just as it was released, and she said that by watching the van being shot up the way it was shot up, she felt as if it was witnessing a Red Cross van being shot up, felt outrageous to see civilians trying to help a wounded man being killed like that.
AMY GOODMAN: Bradley Manning, the man who's accused of leaking these videotapes, who's being held in solitary confinement--not convicted, he is pretrial--has been held in solitary confinement for many months, first in Kuwait, then at Quantico. There's going to be a protest there at Quantico. Now in the United States there's increasing attention on this isolation. The Los Angeles Times has a headline, an editorial headlined "Soldier's Inhumane Imprisonment." Can you talk about how he's being dealt with, Birgitta JÃ³nsdÃ³ttir?
BIRGITTA: Yes, and thank you so much for mentioning him and for your work in making people aware of his situation. Since he is the person that is in prison because of the video--we don't know if he is indeed the person that did it or not; it doesn't really matter. He is accused of it. He has been in prison in solitary confinement for seven-and-a-half months now. And there was a very excellent article by Glenn Greenwald about his condition that sort of brought him back on the map. I really strongly encourage anybody and in WikiLeaks to make themselves aware of what is going on with Bradley Manning. They can actually hold him forever without charging him or putting him on trial, because of the--it's sort of similar as the GuantÃ¡namo Bay situation, with him. So, I think it is really high time for everybody to put their eyes to Bradley Manning and support him. Also, I would very much like for similar actions for Bradley Manning as for Julian Assange in London. And it's been quite shocking that very many people that know of WikiLeaks don't know who Bradley Manning is. So it is very important that we make ourselves aware of the situation he is in. He has just turned 23. And apparently he is in very harsh conditions. It is probably the harshest solitary confinement you can be in. So, I just--yeah, I would yet again like to say that I fully support Bradley Manning, and I would be happy to do whatever I need to do to help him.
AMY GOODMAN: Birgitta JÃ³nsdÃ³ttir, I wanted to ask, as the most prominent woman associated with WikiLeaks, about the--I can't even say "charges," but the allegations against Julian Assange around sexual assault in Sweden. What are your thoughts on it right now?- Advertisement -
BIRGITTA: I don't want to be placed in the role of the judge in this case, and I don't think anybody should. None of us were present in the rooms where the incidents happened. So I just find it to be difficult to say much about it. I just want it to have its normal sort of process through the justice system. If, however, there is anything that will indicate that this is because of the work Julian Assange is doing for freedom of information, I will certainly stick my neck out for him. And I am doing that, and I have said to his lawyer in the U.K., if they need any help with what's going on with the Twitter subpoena and anything else related to attempts to have Julian Assange extradited to the United States, I will do whatever I need to and whatever I can to help stop that, because I find it to be very important to separate these two things.
AMY GOODMAN: Can you talk about how this is being covered in Iceland? I'm talking about just how WikiLeaks is being dealt with. In the United States, there is hardly a discussion about the actual documents that have been released. When it's discussed, it's only about what I would call "Assangination," from character assassination to whether Julian Assange should actually be assassinated. It's only about the politics of that, as opposed to the actual information released in the cables or the Iraq or Afghanistan war documents.
BIRGITTA: Yeah, I think this is a worldwide phenomenon. And it actually goes--ranges from, you know, people wanting to kill Julian Assange and the rest of us that have been affiliated with WikiLeaks, to incredible hero worship, as well, which I don't think is beneficial, either. I think that we really need to put focus on the content of the leaks. And that was the intention of Julian Assange, to raise awareness about that. However, it seems to be a trend with the media to create heroes, and then it loves to take down the hero if they possibly can, because it's a good headline. So, the media has some responsibility in how it has chosen to ignore the incredible content that has been revealed on WikiLeaks.
AMY GOODMAN: It's interesting. McClatchy has a piece out talking about how just "three years after a major court confrontation in which many of America's most important journalism organizations file briefs on WikiLeaks' behalf, much of the U.S. journalistic community has shunned Assange--even as reporters write scores of stories based on WikiLeaks' trove of leaked State Department cables."
BIRGITTA: Yeah, I find that to be disturbing. I know that, for example, in Scandinavia and in Norway, in particular, they have been using the content much more than in the United States. I encourage people to look at what WikiLeaks has done for journalism and the dialogue it has created, also about the situation of journalism and how difficult that it is often for journalists to publish their stories, and particularly when it comes to corruption, be it political corruption or corruption with corporations.- Advertisement -