Monday, June 23, 2008 Barry Jennings,described as a big fan of the movie Loose Change, makes a half hearted recantation on the most recent BBC 9/11 Conspiracy series episode. Jason Bermas Alex Jones and Mark Dice discuss how the official story continues to become unhinged.
Now really, don' the We Are Changers see this as an opportunity to bullhorn buildings and to walk down streets yelling "WAKE UP SHEEPLE" and confront anything that even moves?
Instead of SCREAMING at fellow citizens that: "Richard Gage has got the stuff...", how about we consider being out in public...being respectful...being pateint...answering as many questions as we can...sending as many citizens to Gage's website [and others] as we can...
...and of course, NEVER conversing long with the 25% distrurbed group wandering our streets...the "John Dean" authoritarian clan.
Just BELIEVE that we have the stuff and that the HI PERPS and our "rulers" require an ignorant citizenry in order to manipulate and SCARE them so that they remain in power.
R. Gage, S. Jones, DRG, Peter Dale Scott, K. Ryan, Jim Hoffman, and SOOO many fantastic others are "taking it to the hoop" in respectful and scholarly ways in arenas in which they flourish.
How about we ramp up our end and take it to the streets where WE can learn to flourish...ALSO, in respectful ways.
The reason that the HI PERPS have placed so much energy into refining its cointelpro ops is because they work so very well. But, cointelpro ONLY works when there is disruption, confrontation, law breaking, disinformation and thuggery...which represent ALL the tools in cointelpro's equipment bag.
Its informed citizenry that will fuel any change in the relationship between the 2% ruling class, versus the 98% ruled class.
Viva The 98% Solution!
These HI PERPS fear information and the truth, have NOT A CLUE about how to deal with the truth...and they cannot stop these two from moving ahead. Its only the 9/11 Truthers that can accomplish this by being vulnerable towards cointelpro actions and that's solely because of their OWN negative actions and behaviors.
Try more CI...Civil Informationing...because its virtually UNHACKABLE by cointelpro and its very effective.
CI actually can be very, very rewarding and alotta fun. Check out www.911civilinfo.blogspot.com for some ideas and concepts behind CI.
Richard, thanks again...its such awsome work...I'm glad you are on OUR SIDE!
What a grotesque comedy of errors. 400,000 yards (10.8 million cu. ft.) of concrete? The buildings were steel-framed, the poured concrete foundations weren't "pulverized into a fine powder that blanketed Manhattan," and if 220 floor slabs @ ~43,560 sq. ft. each were, then the slab thickness for every floor must have been well over 13". Thousands of yards of broken concrete were removed from the site, and there are no photos of Ground Zero showing all of this fine dust covering the scene, nor were there any reports of it from witnesses. If Gage thinks explosives or thermite did what he falsely alleges, then why doesn't he demonstrate how? He should get about 10 yards (.0025% of his 400,000 figure) of fully-cured 3500# concrete slabs from old sidewalks and patios and pulverize them to a fine powder in less than 20 seconds without leveling a few city blocks in every direction. I'd pay to see it on video, but not from closer than five miles in person.
Numerous witnesses heard explosions, but there is no evidence that anyone heard explosives. The quantity needed to collapse a tower would have been heard from Montauk to Cape May or even farther and seen clearly in every video, and there would be no debate about whether it was a falling elevator car, exploding transformer, partially collapsing floor, or any of the other explainable, witnessed sources of loud sounds that were heard before the collapses. The largest "massive structural steel member hurled" any great distance from either tower was no heavier than the average SUV, and since 125-250 million pounds of building fell at least one story and collided with the intact building below at a height of 1200 and 1000' respectively (North and South Towers), Gage should tell us what force was present at the time that would have prevented debris from flying a few hundred feet sideways before hitting the ground or another building. And at 70 mph (~100 fps)? Initial velocity of high explosives is at least 15,000 fps, and not even the non-"massive" debris was ejected at more than a tiny fraction of that speed.
Then he switches from explosives to thermite, an incendiary that wouldn't account for the explosions that were heard, and deliberately misleads us by giving the melting point of steel before making the questionable claim that tons of molten metal were seen flowing out of one tower. If this were from columns or trusses, wouldn't a collapse have ensued immediately, instead of a half hour or so later? And why was it only from one place? It was very likely aluminum from Flight 175 or lead from a battery bank in a UPS system, but it most certainly wasn't the framing of the South tower pouring out of one opening in the exterior of the tower for a brief period of time. Thermite is difficult to ignite with precision, burns straight down unless diverted sideways by bulky devices clamped or bolted to columns or resting on the floor, and only produces heat for a minute or two, so he's undermining his own credibility by citing reports that molten metal was observed weeks later in the basements and associating it with thermite. He mentions Les Robertson, a highly regarded structural engineer who worked on the original tower designs and reportedly saw the molten metal, presumably to add some prestige by association, but the last thing Richard Gage would ever do is sit down and discuss his theories with him in public. Gage has turned down repeated invitations to present his claims on air with Mark Roberts, a very knowledgeable "debunker" of his work, and Robertson is equally in the NIST corner, and has even better credentials, so that just isn't going to happen. Furthermore, chemical evidence of incendiaries is inconclusive in the middle of piles of building material exposed to jet fuel, because drywall and other common building materials as well as jet fuel have ingredients in common with them, and he and his source have offered no chain of custody for their samples and haven't presented chemical signatures of spent thermite or thermate for comparison to them. The only peer review offered by the principal incendiary proponent, Steven Jones, is that his work is included in a new book by David Ray Griffin, a theologian.
Gage is an architect, but he hasn't presented architectural sections of columns and shown us where any of these alleged explosives or incendiaries could possibly have been hidden on them. Here's a cut through a typical perimeter column in a WTC tower:
As you can see, they weren't close to the exteriors of the towers, they WERE the exteriors of the towers, and in almost every case, they were only accessible through secured, occupied tenant spaces. 40 in the picture is aluminum cladding on the outside, 42 is window glass, 39 is drywall, and 36 is the 14" square steel column itself. At least 60% of each column was outside of the building, and only one face was fully accessible from inside and it was covered with finished drywall. Where do the explosives go where they can't be seen? Above the ceilings or below access floors? 52" high, 3/8" thick (or more) spandrels were welded to the inside faces of all of the perimeter columns at every story completely covering both of those locations. It would not only be difficult to get explosives through them and onto or inside the columns, but spandrels are the least likely place for a column tree to separate in a collapse, and if a large number of them broke apart in that odd location, they'd be even more conspicuous in the debris than cutter charge or thermite cuts in any other part of the columns, although any cut of that very distinct type in any location would have been instantly noticed and reported by the ironworkers and others who handled or even looked at the steel during the 8-month cleanup period, no matter how quickly anyone thinks the steel was scrapped. 236 of these columns existed on the perimeter of each tower, many were broken in the collapses, no one saw evidence of explosives or incendiaries on the ends of them in the debris, and it was virtually impossible to hide charges anywhere on them, or even to get to them secretly, so Gage should really be answering questions instead of asking them.
He has also claimed that the towers fell "too fast," and at "near free-fall speed." Here's a video of the North Tower collapsing:
A complete collapse is shown starting at 1:43 on the timer at the bottom and still in progress at 2:00. Loose debris is clearly seen coming down much faster than the building is, and some of it hits the ground 6-8 seconds before the collapse stops. Was it coming down faster than free-fall speed? What is "too fast" when "g" has just been reduced from >32'/sec^2 to <9.5'/sec^2? NIST has not rigorously calculated scientifically acceptable times for the towers to collapse gravitationally, but Dr. Frank Greening has, and his work is presented here:
This is an inexact science, since all of the variables can't be determined precisely, but Greening's results are considerably faster than the times I've observed on various videos, including the one I just linked to. Gage has claimed collapse times far shorter than those actually observed by any honest person, and has presented one paper by Gordon Ross claiming that the collapses should have self-arrested, a conclusion drawn by very few reputable scientists and engineers and totally rejected by those from NIST, as well as being completely counterintuitive, and he can't even come up with a plausible explanation for how it was done in the unlikely event that he wasn't wrong about this too.
These are just some of my problems with Gage's so-called research, and there are plenty of others, but they amply illustrate why he chooses to make his presentations on the Internet or in front of the "9/11 Was an Inside Job!" set, instead of exposing them to any serious scrutiny. Anyone who's that wrong about that many things would probably do the same.
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Now really, don' the We Are Changers see this as an opportunity to bullhorn buildings and to walk down streets yelling "WAKE UP SHEEPLE" and confront anything that even moves?
Instead of SCREAMING at fellow citizens that: "Richard Gage has got the stuff...", how about we consider being out in public...being respectful...being pateint...answering as many questions as we can...sending as many citizens to Gage's website [and others] as we can...
...and of course, NEVER conversing long with the 25% distrurbed group wandering our streets...the "John Dean" authoritarian clan.
Just BELIEVE that we have the stuff and that the HI PERPS and our "rulers" require an ignorant citizenry in order to manipulate and SCARE them so that they remain in power.
R. Gage, S. Jones, DRG, Peter Dale Scott, K. Ryan, Jim Hoffman, and SOOO many fantastic others are "taking it to the hoop" in respectful and scholarly ways in arenas in which they flourish.
How about we ramp up our end and take it to the streets where WE can learn to flourish...ALSO, in respectful ways.
The reason that the HI PERPS have placed so much energy into refining its cointelpro ops is because they work so very well. But, cointelpro ONLY works when there is disruption, confrontation, law breaking, disinformation and thuggery...which represent ALL the tools in cointelpro's equipment bag.
Its informed citizenry that will fuel any change in the relationship between the 2% ruling class, versus the 98% ruled class.
Viva The 98% Solution!
These HI PERPS fear information and the truth, have NOT A CLUE about how to deal with the truth...and they cannot stop these two from moving ahead. Its only the 9/11 Truthers that can accomplish this by being vulnerable towards cointelpro actions and that's solely because of their OWN negative actions and behaviors.
Try more CI...Civil Informationing...because its virtually UNHACKABLE by cointelpro and its very effective.
CI actually can be very, very rewarding and alotta fun. Check out www.911civilinfo.blogspot.com for some ideas and concepts behind CI.
Richard, thanks again...its such awsome work...I'm glad you are on OUR SIDE!
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What a grotesque comedy of errors. 400,000 yards (10.8 million cu. ft.) of concrete? The buildings were steel-framed, the poured concrete foundations weren't "pulverized into a fine powder that blanketed Manhattan," and if 220 floor slabs @ ~43,560 sq. ft. each were, then the slab thickness for every floor must have been well over 13". Thousands of yards of broken concrete were removed from the site, and there are no photos of Ground Zero showing all of this fine dust covering the scene, nor were there any reports of it from witnesses. If Gage thinks explosives or thermite did what he falsely alleges, then why doesn't he demonstrate how? He should get about 10 yards (.0025% of his 400,000 figure) of fully-cured 3500# concrete slabs from old sidewalks and patios and pulverize them to a fine powder in less than 20 seconds without leveling a few city blocks in every direction. I'd pay to see it on video, but not from closer than five miles in person.
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