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February 6, 2008 at 14:20:15
I Was a Terrorist; In Defense of My Identity, Story and Credentials by Walid Shoebat Page 2 of 7 page(s) |
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1—“His bio claims that his grandfather was the Muslim Mukhtar (chieftain) of Beit Sahour-Bethlehem. Beit Sahour is adjacent to Bethlehem, not a part of Bethlehem.” Had Fleming checked the Municipality of Bethlehem’s official website she would see the official statement made by Bethlehem’s municipality: تعتبر بيت Ù„ØÙ... Ù...ركزاً لقضاء ÙŠØÙ...Ù„ اسÙ...ها ويضÙ... Ù...دينتين Ù‡Ù...ا بيت جالا وبيت ساØور In English “Bethlehem is considered to be a jurisdiction that it’s name [Bethlehem] holds and includes two cities—Beit Jala and Beit Sahur.” 2
In other words, Beit Sahur as well as Beit Jala are also Bethlehem. Is Fleming’s article correct and Bethlehem’s Municipality in error?
Yet this is a minor card, the rest of her deck of cards will fall. So one out, 17 more points to go.
2—“Walid's bio claims his grandfather was a friend of Haj-Ameen Al-Husseni, the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem and notorious friend of Adolf Hitler. Walid's grandfather never even met him and was a peaceful man.”
Did I ever say that my grand father was not a “peaceful man”? my book which was written way before Fleming’s silly discoveries stated “My grandfather liked everyone, and he had no problem selling land to Jewish or Christian immigrants. The village had much land with only a handful of families that immigrated in the last decade prior to the 1948 war.” 3 Kamal’s statement also confirms what I stated in my book, Beit Sahur had a handful of families. A land that was empty prior to my great grand father. Jews never stole such lands, they bought them. My grand father sold land to the Jewish National Fund as did many prominent Arab leaders. 4 This fact is so well documented in Fasl Al-Maqal, owned by Arab-Israeli parliament deputy Azmi Beshara. Why didn’t my family deny this? He sold a parcel called Umm Al-Asafeer which was later sent back to the family after Oslo. Why did her article never mention this? Or any denial of this by my family? It’s because everyone knew it’s true. Their leader and Mukhtar sold land to Zionists.
I should also know the history of my grand father more then Mr. Kamal Younis (full name Kamal Younis Jum’a) Fleming should check his I.D and be amazed that I know what’s in it, yet he confirmed that my grand father was the Mukhtar of the Muslims. The land sale to the Jewish National Fund will prove that my grand father was considered a traitor. Abdul Qader Al-Husseni was appointed by Haj Amin (Adolf Hitler’s puppet) to execute so many chieftans (Mukhtars) in the whole region. Anyone that was considered peaceful or had connection with the Jews were to be executed. Of course, the Hussenis sold land to Jews yet they were immune. My grand father was one of these who escaped the massacre due to his connection with the family and with his father in law, my great grand father. This story was known in the family and well documented on page 44 in my book. Many were not so lucky. This massacre between 1936 and 1938 carried out by Husseni’s men is so well known and well documented which included Sheikh Daoud Ansari (Imam of Al Aqsa Mosque), Sheikh Ali Nur el Khattib (Al Aqsa Mosque), Sheikh Nusbi Abdal Rahim (Council of Muslim Religious Court), Sheikh Abdul el Badoui (Acre, Palestine), Sheikh El Namouri (Hebron), and Nasr El Din Nassr (Mayor of Hebron). Between Feb. 1937 and Nov. 1938, eleven Mukhtars (community leaders) and their entire families were slain by Amin al Husseni’s men.5
Does Fleming desire to deny all this? If Mukhtars were proven beyond doubt to have been executed, and my family never denied this, would you not consider it logical that my grand father would be on such a hit list? He had a mock trial in Al-khader by Abdul Qader Al-Husseini and was rescued by his father in law Abdullah Ali Awadallah.
3—“Walid was born in September of 1960 in Beit Sahour after his American mother and father returned there from America…His older sister and brother were born in the USA”
This proves beyond doubt that I was born in Beit Sahur-Bethlehem as I claimed and all the denials of my origin were bogus. In fact I was born the first day my mother arrived, in a lowly place near the Shepherd’s Fields, lower than were Jesus was born (thank God). All this could be verified. In fact, Daniel Pipes of Middle East Forum who reads fluent Arabic examined my birth certificate himself. This can be found on:
http://www.danielpipes.org/comments/27999
Had she cared to verify this she would never have published her article. If she doubts this, I will be willing to resubmit these documents to a trusted government agency.
That with many documents to prove not only my connection with that land, but my American family’s connection with Winston Churchill. These can be proven to such extent that Fleming would be ashamed of her flimsy article.
4—“and the family lived in Jericho until 1968, then in Saudi Arabia for two years then returned to Beit Sahour.”
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The NY TIMES is following this story!
BAD IMAGE - http://us.f353.mail.yahoo.com/ya/download/us/ShowLetter?box=Inbox&MsgId=9871_34423893_10267823_2780_6504_0_50673_16232_48922714&bodyPart=2&YY=85848&y5beta=yes&y5beta=yes&order=down&sort=date&pos=0&view=a&head=b&Idx=2 (must exist and begin with http) February 7, 2008 By NEIL MacFARQUHAR The Air Force Academy was criticized by Muslim and religious freedom organizations for playing host on Wednesday to three speakers who critics say are evangelical Christians falsely claiming to be former Muslim terrorists. The three men were invited as part of a weeklong conference on terrorism organized by cadets at the academy’s Colorado Springs campus under the auspices of the political science department. The three will be paid a total of $13,000 for their appearance, some of it from private donors, said Maj. Brett Ashworth, a spokesman for the academy. The three were invited because “they offered a unique perspective from inside terrorism,” Major Ashworth said. The conference is to result in a report on methods to combat terrorism that will be sent to the Pentagon, members of Congress and other influential officials, he added. Members of the Military Religious Freedom Foundation, a group suing the federal government to combat what it calls creeping evangelism in the armed forces, said it was typical of the Air Force Academy to invite born-again Christians to address cadets on terrorism rather than experts who could teach students about the Middle East. “This stuff going on at the academy today is part of the endemic evangelical infiltration that continues,” said David Antoon, a 1970 academy graduate and a foundation member. The three men were invited to talk about being recruited and trained as terrorists, not religion, although one of them, Zak Anani, did tell students that converting to Christianity from Islam saved his life, said John Van Winkle, another spokesman for the academy. Muslim organizations objected to the fact that no other perspective about Islam was offered, saying that the three speakers — Mr. Anani, Kamal Saleem and Walid Shoebat — habitually paint Muslims as inherently violent. All were born in the Middle East but Mr. Saleem and Mr. Shoebat are now American citizens, while Mr. Anani has Canadian citizenship. “Their entire world view is based on the idea that Islam is evil,” said Ibrahim Hooper, a spokesman for the Council on Islamic American Relations. “We want to provide a balancing perspective to their hate speech.” Academic professors and others who have heard the three men speak in the United States and Canada said some of their stories border on the fantastic, like Mr. Saleem’s account of how, as a child, he infiltrated Israel to plant bombs via a network of tunnels underneath the Golan Heights. No such incidents have been reported, the academic experts said. They also question how three middle-aged men who claim they were recruited as teenagers or younger could have been steeped in the violent religious ideology that only became prevalent in the late 1980s. Prof. Douglas Howard, who teaches the history of the modern Middle East at Calvin College in Grand Rapids, Mich., heard Mr. Saleem speak last November at the college and said he thought the three were connected to several major Christian evangelical organizations. “It was just an old time gospel hour — ‘Jesus can change your life, he changed mine,’ ” Mr. Howard said. “That is mixed in with ‘Watch out America, wake up America, the danger of Islam is here.’ ” Mr. Howard said his doubts about their authenticity grew after stories like the Golan Heights saga as well as something on Mr. Saleem’s Web site along the lines that he was descended from the grand wazir of Islam. “The grand wazir of Islam is a nonsensical term,” Mr. Howard said. Keith Davies, the director of the Walid Shoebat Foundation, which organizes their appearances, said critics tried to undermine the speakers’ reputation because “they can’t argue with the message.” Arab-American civil rights organizations question why, at a time when the United States government has vigorously moved to jail or at least deport anyone with a known terrorist connection, the three men, if they are telling the truth, are allowed to circulate freely. A spokesman for the F.B.I. said there were no warrants for their arrest. by Eileen Fleming (172 articles, 101 quicklinks, 274 diaries, 650 comments [16 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Thursday, Feb 7, 2008 at 7:31:43 AM  (0+)
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my first threat of leagl action
I received my first threat of legal action on Feb. 5th AM, just hours after At 1 AM on Fat Tuesday morn, Keith Davies, Walid's handler sent me an email threat of a lawsuit unless I issued "a full apology and retraction" Walid's OP followed his threat, which OPN has published in full and from which I only excerpt. Before I reply to Walid's epistle, I begin with my email reply to his handler: by
Eileen Fleming (172 articles, 101 quicklinks, 274 diaries, 650 comments [16 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Thursday, Feb 7, 2008 at 7:44:08 AM
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Reply: the rest of my reply
WAWA Blog February 7, 2008: It maybe Ash Wednesday, but I am still laughing over Fat Tuesday morning. by Eileen Fleming (172 articles, 101 quicklinks, 274 diaries, 650 comments [16 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Thursday, Feb 7, 2008 at 7:47:51 AM (0+)
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Why are you not holed up at Guantanamo ?
If this Walid Shoebat person truly is a terrorist, then will somebody please explain to me WHY is he not being prosecuted for his crimes. The way I see it is, if the man spent the best years of his life murdering and maiming innocent Israelis, then he should be holed up at Guantanamo and be serving time for his actions, not be treated like some kind of media star. Would we forgive the perpetrators of 9/11 simply if they were to convert to an extremist form of fundamentalist Christianity ? The man keeps blabbering away, yes, yes, I was a terrorist. How pathetic can it get ? If he really was a terrorist, please LOCK HIM UP and stop misusing the nonsense he sprouts as a means of slandering innocent Muslims, who, unlike him, for the most part are not involved in illegal activities. by Suhail Shafi (2 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 8 comments [1 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Monday, Feb 11, 2008 at 6:47:16 PM (0+)
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Is this Balanced?
How is this balanced reporting? I read both articles, this one and Walid's rebuttal. It's fair to present your theological disagreement with Walid Shoebat, yet in all fairness, your article has testimonies from Walid's own family stating that he was in prison and that he got himself involved with terrorists. So why does your article call this man a fraud? You have the right to call him a false-Christian if you do not agree with his brand of Christianity, yet to call the man a fraud on the basis of his story is absolute rubbish and you know it. The very statements from his family which YOU obtained yourself testifies that he was in prison and did get involve in terrorism. These are obvious contradictory statememnts in your article. Can you see your contradictions? Also, he stated in his rebuttal that the man you interviewed "Kamal Younis" is a brother of Jawad Younis, an activist and a lawyer who represents Al-Qaeda operatives and defended Abu Zubaida and also sent letter of congratulations to Nassrallah, a known terrorist. Anyone can google this and see for themselves. This also confirms Walid's validity. Have you examined these witnesses any further to see their involvement in terrorism? Or did you fail since a biased slant had to overcome serious and balanced journalism. Are you simply filled with joy when like-minded peopel as you salute you with "hip hip hurrreyyy", or are you a journalist convicted with clear concious of what you write? Just which one are you? This is a choice only you can answer. by Marie Peters (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 3 comments) on Thursday, Feb 14, 2008 at 6:55:07 PM (0+)
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