Stephen

Hlllary and her machine  work for GOP, always were. That's why they get money. Their goal is to make the Demparty an 'Opposition of His majesty'. Hillary  does all she can for the GOP candidate to win no matter who.  That's her job. They all have jobs now.

by Mark Sashine (47 articles, 19 quicklinks, 235 diaries, 3360 comments) on Tuesday, January 22, 2008 at 1:39:10 PM
 

You know...

John Edwards is taking away votes. He's making it easier for Hillary to win and easier for Obama to lose. He's also been taking away votes from Dennis Kucinich.

Do you buy that logic? Probably not, which is why the logic on Nader has and never will make sense. Nobody's entitled to votes.

by Kevin Gosztola (194 articles, 103 quicklinks, 63 diaries, 777 comments) on Tuesday, January 22, 2008 at 2:00:25 PM
 

Yep,

When the Clinton machine goes into spin cycle, nobody comes out clean.

by John Sanchez Jr. (4 articles, 0 quicklinks, 8 diaries, 1055 comments) on Wednesday, January 23, 2008 at 8:52:52 AM
 

I hope

A strong Independent candidate like Nader runs and does what he did in 2000, which people are still up in arms about failing to see the faulty logic of their reasoning. I hope an Independent candidate or Green Party candidate gets to mobilize the masses upset by the spineless Dems and dogmatic ignorant "family values" Republicans. I hope they turn to the third choice instead of just not voting at all. I hope they, as Dems will says, "give" America what it deserves---another Republican presidency---by "taking away votes."

Americans have not learned and so the lesson, I'm afraid, may have to continue until we realize how to get on the path to significant change.

by Kevin Gosztola (194 articles, 103 quicklinks, 63 diaries, 777 comments) on Tuesday, January 22, 2008 at 1:59:55 PM
 

If it is Hillary,

I would have to consider third party candidates, even as a Democratic precinct committeeman. I object to her lust for power and her ambition that much.

by John Sanchez Jr. (4 articles, 0 quicklinks, 8 diaries, 1055 comments) on Wednesday, January 23, 2008 at 8:58:27 AM
 

Think Denver in the summer

It's more than wishful thinking, to contemplate a brokered convention. There are plenty of skeletons in the Clinton closet to put a monkey wrench in their well-oiled machine. The narrative of 20 years from Bush to Clinton to Bush and then Clinton? To project delegate count, image enhancement, world conditions, voter pain--any and all of those things more than a day forward is conjecture. McCain could be a great selection from Democrats' perspective. Who wants an old man willing to send young men off to the horrors? If Republicans insist, let them beware. Democrats are more for cooling the flames of conflict. And we have plenty of chances to fan Hillary's militaristic side. Money does not buy votes. Women do not hold the key to the kingdom. They had some advantage when they were billed as the kinder gentler gender. Hillary the Amazon is not a pretty picture, in pink or otherwise.

by Margaret Bassett (21 articles, 1360 quicklinks, 28 diaries, 819 comments) on Wednesday, January 23, 2008 at 1:02:30 PM
 

DISGUSTING APPROACH TO POLITICS

   I am disgusted by this whole approach to political gamemanship, selecting the candidate you will vote for on the basis of calculating whether she or he can win and what candidate from the other party might win if he or she wins the nomination, instead of FIRST deciding whether to support a candidate on the basis of her or his stand on the issues and THEN considering electibility as a SECONDARY CONSIDERATION in chosing between candidate who are may be good candidates.

   I agree with kevin Gosztola; I am going to vote for a Green Party candidate this year as I did in 2000 and 2004.  Those rabid liberals who accuse the Greens of electing Bush ignore the fact that Gore won both the popular and electoral vote and would have been President if the Supreme Injustices had not halted the vote counting and appointed Bush.  It also ignores the fact that if the Rethugs had not systematically disenfranchised eligible African American voters in Florida, Gore would have received around 90,000 additional votes in Florida, a number which would have dwarfed the few hundred vote margin Bush received after the black robed, Neanderderthal buffons on the Supreme Court ordered the vote counting halted and appointed Bush.  It also ignores the fact that the Repugnantcans would have simply stolen more votes if the official vote count had favored Gore.

   But more importantly, it is difficult to understand how anyone can think it is not a waste of time and energy to work  on electing Democrats after the electorate DID elect them to a majority in Congress in 2006 and Nancy Pelosi took impeachment off the table as her first act as the new speaker.  It has always been thus since at least as far back as the 1940's when the majority of Democrats voted for the Taft Hartley Act.  Can't you see that the lesser evil crumbs we get by electing Democrats will never be enough to justify the time and effort we put in.  Since he results of electing Democrats will never be enough above zero to justify the effort, working to build a third party is the only alternative we have left.  In spite of all the people who argue that a third party cannot win under the winner take all elections in the United States, and although it will take time to build up a third party to the point where it can displace one of the two corporate parties, a course of action that does not promise immediate gratification is still better than a course of action that will NEVER produce significant progress.

Robert Halfhill   rhalfhill@juno.com

by rhalfhill (3 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 270 comments) on Wednesday, January 23, 2008 at 7:53:34 PM