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May 1, 2008 at 04:46:57

Headlined on 5/1/08:
Hero Mandela On US Terrorist Watch List"- Could it Affect AIPAC and Mideast?

by Rob Kall     Page 2 of 2 page(s)

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But the good news for people who honor, value and respect heroes is that Condi's okay with congressman Berman's effort to remove Mandela from the terrorist lists. Voice of America reports "Secretary Rice told a congressional committee Wednesday the United States now has excellent relations with ANC-led South Africa. She said it was embarrassing that she still has to issue special waivers for Mandela and other senior South African government officials to enter the United States."-

And VOA reports that Berman said,

"I believe that many years ago we could have corrected this. I think that those of us in Congress, I speak for myself, I had no idea it was still the case. Long after apartheid, long after the new government in South Africa took over, many whose leaders come directly out of the ANC, that we would still be keeping a data base of ANC members and then disqualifying them for admission into the United States is wrong. And I think, you saw it with Secretary Rice, even some of the most conservative Republicans agree with me that there's no justification for this. So we're going to change it.'

This may be one rare battle that AIPAC loses. Though I'm Jewish, and a steadfast supporter of Israel's right to exist and defend itself from terrorist attacks, I've long believed that AIPAC's extreme right wing positions and their hardball approach to all things middle east have made matters worse for Israel. Certainly, Israel and the Israeli people are worse off than they were pre-Bush. Yet AIPAC and some Isralis believe Bush has been the best friend of all the US presidents in recent years.

AIPAC may want to back off on this battle. There's a new kid in town. The J Street Project is a "pro Israel, pro Peace"- a new PAC and affiliated lobbying organization that aims to be political, according to Mother Jones,

"It's the first time that there has been a political arm for those of us who are pro Israel but pro peace, and who believe that reaching a negotiated settlement in the Middle East is absolutely essential for the security of both Israel and the United States," Jeremy Ben-Ami, the executive director of J Street and JStreetPAC told me. "That is the reason for this effort. We believe the majority of American Jews and many other Americans friendly and supportive to Israel really do recognize that a policy both here and there that would be geared towards really pushing for a two state solution is in Israel's and the U.S.'s best interests."

"What has happened in the political world is that the people both elected [to Congress] and candidates and the folks around them have come to believe that the only way to speak to the Jewish community is to take the most right-wing position," Ben-Ami said. "There is no political benefit to be at the center."

"We would like to create a political mechanism, a political benefit to being at the center," Ben-Ami continued. "Perhaps there should be a dialogue between the U.S. and Syria. Perhaps the U.S. should pursue an alternative route to Iran. Let's get serious about a two-state solution, and stop the settlements and stop the occupation and get a two state solution. That is currently not being said."

Perhaps the latest victimization of hero Nelson Mandela will open the opportunity for new pathways through one of the world's most difficult problems, to peace in the middle east, or at least provide more latitude for navigation than AIPAC's right leaning lobbying has allowed.

Talk about a great birthday present for Mandela, who will be celebrating his birthday this summer. It's an interesting birthday question, "What do you give to one of the world's most admired living heroes?"- I'd guess, for Mandela, a safe answer would be something that moves the world toward peace and justice. Taking Mandela off the terrorist list-- a no brainer. Consequently opening up some new possibilities for peace in the middle east? Priceless.

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Student of history, religion, exoteric and esoteric, the Humanities in general and advocate for peace, justice and the unity of humankind, not through force, but through self-realization and mutual respect.
Mac McKinneyStudent of history, religion, exoteric and esoteric, the Humanities in general and advocate for peace, justice and the unity of humankind, not through force, but through self-realization and mutual respect.

Pathetic, as Usual

The United States wields its Terrorist Watch List with all the aplomb of a cracker-sheriff's deputy wielding a baton at a civil rights march in the 60s, in other words, to beat up on those struggling for peace or justice as well as any inadvertant miscreants. Over the years I have watched how the State Dept has put Sandinistas, Cuba, the ANC and countless others on the Left , or some not even really Leftist at all, on its various lists of condemnation, while at the same time wining and dining, or permitting to settle in this country, some of the worst human rights violators or state-sponsored terrorists in the world. When the State Dept makes its lists, they should really be looked at as "Enemies of the Empire" lists with about as much ethical validity as a Mafia hit-list.

Meanwhile, yes, AIPAC may fight taking Mandela off the list. After all, they are probably paranoid Mandela, like Bishop Tutu, might say something critical of Israel once in a while, especially in light of the fact that Israeli agents were helping to train and arm the South African Apartheid military and police, as well as helping the same regime with its budding nuclear weapons program.

 

by Mac McKinney (40 articles, 53 quicklinks, 126 diaries, 879 comments) on Thursday, May 1, 2008 at 11:40:53 AM
 


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The US

is the only country in the world in which the legislative body  arbitrarily and in violation of the International Law designated FOREIGN organizations and even countries as terrorist, bad, good, etc.  This cowardice and idiocy  is not just pathetic- it is  totally nuts.  It results in the phenomena when other countries do the same ; in Russia, for instance they polled people on what to do with Bush if caught.  You do not want to know. In  China it was allowed for some time to call Condi... well, I will pass. But Madeleine Allbrignt was called a ' skirty dog' in Serbia and  Bill Clinton had an obscene  nickname in  Russia.  Recently when Condi went to Russia on some visit, the notorious Zhirinovsky, speaker of the Duma said a very obscene thing about her too. It will  go more, it will expand  because people are fed up with our idiocy  multiplied by arrogance.  The unfortunate thing is that no one  even thinks about abandonment of the Terrorist list altogether. I know, I know, Mandela does not have to do that but how great would it sound if he says,'I would like to stay on that list unless you abandon it  as a whole'.  He will not say that, I know.  BTW, such things did happen. On the night of St. Bartholomew in Paris during the Guegenot massacre by the Catholics an absolutely  non- related stranger, a Dutch scientist ( his  first name was Peter, but I forgot the second name, sorry)  in protest  converted to Luterancy and was immediately killed.  He surely  risked much more than our celebrities and.. even his name is  forgotten now. What a shame.

by Mark Sashine (42 articles, 19 quicklinks, 227 diaries, 3220 comments) on Thursday, May 1, 2008 at 2:05:17 PM
 


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Char StellamarisI am a 61 year old grandmother---an old leftie. Used to be a dairy farmer---am now disabled, and am living on SS-Disability. I love OpEd news and if I ever get into a more solvent financial situation, I will contribute. I value the site. Don't know how to do a photo---am a techno-neophyte.

Absurd? No utterly predictable

 Well, after just seeing the way the valid message of Rev Wright has been distorted beyond belief, I will be surprised if this government of thugs doesn't pass a special bill to put him on a "terrorist watch list". Our track record, i.e. history, is dismal when it comes to supporting the good guys. No wonder we are dispised in  so much of the world. Can you blame them?

by Char Stellamaris (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 35 comments) on Thursday, May 1, 2008 at 6:33:09 PM
 


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Stephen FoxIn 1980, Stephen Fox founded New Millennium Fine Art, a Santa Fe gallery specializing in Native American and Landscape, and is very active in New Mexico Legislative consumer protection politics, trying above to get the FDA to rescind its approval for the neurotoxic and carcinogenic artificial sweetener, Aspartame. [http://www.prlog.org/10070694]

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This is your farthest right wing of Government at work....

What utter balderdash....good work and kudos to Rob Kall for writing this!

Mandela is also one of my personal top heroes, after 60 years, I know what constitutes a worth hero in my book. One of mine just passed, the Dalai Lama's Friend and Translator, Lobsang Lhalungpa. Details are here:

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by Stephen Fox (45 articles, 1 quicklinks, 6 diaries, 68 comments) on Thursday, May 1, 2008 at 6:53:57 PM
 


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thankful for this article

Of course the MSM won't be repeating this news redundantly like they do other news. Heck, when Code Pink (which I am an active  online member of) members were detained in Canada and found they were on the Terrorist Watch list, they were detained for over 3 hrs. Seems Peace is not a popular topic with this Administration, nor are the movements therein.

I have several Jewish friends and none of them are fond of AIPAC. Most of them don't like the Israeli Government and military. They claim they are fascist (we definitely agree on that). They don't like the Christian-Zion movement of Hagee's either. I rather like Maher's attitude on the Jewish matter and I don't take the Bible literally when it states that [God] will punish those that go against the Israelis. That's what Congress fears and that's why they submit to everything AIPAC demands, IMO. Btw, the Israeli military has been brutal to the Palestinians. These Jewish ppl running the Israeli government, are the Jewish Khasars from Russia, in my opinion. Google "Benjamin Freedman's speech at the Willard Hotel-1961".

Mandela is a hero and he is a strong advocate of peace. I do believe he could change the Terrorist Watch List with a stand. I don't fly, but I bet I am on the list for being active with Code Pink and PeaceWest,  et al.

by shirley reese (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 200 comments) on Thursday, May 1, 2008 at 8:49:34 PM
 


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The answer to the watch list

is to make it relevant solely to the air marshal. It should mean that the marshal is informed that there are persons on board the place that are on the watch list and what seat they're assigned to. And that's it. If the persons cause any trouble, the air marshal has been forewarned as to their presence and will be in a position to take appropriate action. If the persons are demonstrably dangerous and truly do pose a threat, the US informs the country they board in that so-and-so is on the list and that they risk being arrested when they set foot on US soil.

by Richmond Gardner (21 articles, 0 quicklinks, 6 diaries, 20 comments) on Thursday, May 1, 2008 at 9:24:36 PM
 


I'll get to this later.
Aaron AaronsI'll get to this later.

Israel's "right to exist"

Rob writes: "Though I'm Jewish, and a steadfast supporter of Israel's right to exist and defend itself from terrorist attacks,..."

Well, I'm totally Jewish by the official Orthodox and Zionist definitions (four Jewish grandparents and two Jewish parents, and even a damned Bar Mitzvah), but I don't think Israel -- as a Jewish state on land stolen by terror from non-Jews with U.S. imperialist backing -- has any right to exist. And, as one of the world's major ongoing practitioners of terrorism, especially against the people whose land it stole, it has no right to defend itself against terrorism!

The ability of "Israelis" to live in peace should be an end result of the solution of Palestinian demands for redress, not a precondition.

Addendum: I just got this message on previewing the above:

Hurtful, Offensive and Hate - 'zionist'
This is a word that is overused and too often abused. We've discussed it at length here (link to be added shortly) and would prefer, if you can, to use other words in its place.

This is the word that Jewish colonialists have been using for their own movement for well over a century! Since Rob is a supporter of Israel's "right to exist", I can only guess that it is criticism of such colonialism, not defense of same, that he wants to mute.

by Aaron Aarons (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 9 comments) on Friday, May 2, 2008 at 4:15:06 PM
 


I'll get to this later.
Aaron AaronsI'll get to this later.

Mandela - Hero or Sellout?

Nelson Mandela was probably the key person in pushing through a deal with the white capitalist rulers of South Africa to keep them in power after the end of formal Apartheid. His disciple and successor, Thabo Mbeki, picked up the neo-liberal ball and ran with it -- so well, in fact, that the material conditions of the Black working class and peasantry are worse now than they were under open white rule.

A layer of the Black population, including most of the ANC leadership and even that of former rival organizations, are doing quite well as high-priced blackface for the white regime. And most whites are doing better than they were when they were openly privileged just for having white skin. But, for the bulk of the Black population, their oppression is in many ways worse, since those educated Blacks who used to help them in their struggles are now among those oppressing them.

The U.S. does Mandela and the rest of the ANC a favor by keeping them on its "terrorist" watch list. By doing so, it probably helps them maintain some undeserved shred of credibility among the Black masses.

by Aaron Aarons (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 9 comments) on Sunday, May 4, 2008 at 2:16:10 AM
 

 

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