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But there are so many people who are souls in progress, who do not seek to engage in conflict. They are passionate people who lose it for a moment. As a website administrator, it's not that hard to tell the difference if a person has been a regular on this website. I can go to his or her archive, check out the comments he or she has posted and see if there has been a history of genuine conversation and dialogue or simply a few or many offensive, rude, netiquette violating postings.

The challenge comes when the visitor is new. Sometimes the comment is soe offensive that a single comment will cause the new member to be banned, particularly if it is hateful and more so if the bio and demographics provided on sign-up are dishonest or insulting to other members.

Sometimes, I'll delete the comment and send the member a note, making it clear the behavior is not acceptable. And sometimes I'll go ahead and ban the member and drop a note, not only saying the comment was unacceptable, but also asking the person to let me know if there's a serious interest in being in this community, and if so, he or she can cool off and drop me an email in a week or a month, after which I'll un-ban him.

People, good people, lose it sometimes. And the quotations I've included below have helped me to be more tolerant of them, and even, to see in them great potential.

As far as my own history. I used to get caught up in flame wars on line-- in forums, listserves, email-- more often than I would have liked. Then I set a simple rule for myself. If I write a message-- email, comment, posting-- that is angry and mean or combative-- I sit on it, preferably overnight. I don't send it out right away.

One thing I learned from a researcher is that when you write down stuff that bothers you, that makes you sad, angry, miserable, just writing it down can be therapeutic. But then, if you throw it away, or delete it, that can also be a good healthy thing to do. This researcher even showed that when people did this-- wrote down stuff that made them angry-- their immune functions improved.

I'd say that 98% of the time, when I write an angry missive-- and I still do ocassionally-- I end up throwing them away. I get the stuff off my chest and then don't bother engaging in conflict. And believe me, as publisher of this website, I get my share of abuse and name calling emails. Most are from people who are very presidential in a Dubya kind of way-- can't form a healthy sentence, can't spell, use poor grammar-- and I tend to ignore them. But ocassionally an intelligently written, obnoxious message comes through. Those are theo ones I'm more susceptible to. When I'm on my best behavior, I've engaged the writers without venom. And on a number of ocassions, have made new friends-- right wing friends who I can have respectful dialogues with.

Now, there are often people on this site who are not even right wingers. They're people with strong opinions on one issue where there may be disagreeement. Strong opinion is no excuse for incivility. But, nonetheless, people go there. They get nasty. That's where some of the quotations below come in handy. I hope you enjoy them and find them as useful as I have, over the years in modifying your filters that influence how you to decide to deal with people.

"There are faults so closely allied to certain good qualities that they announce their presence, and of such we do well not to cure ourselves."
Joubert

"Tis to my faults that I, my virtues owe."
LaFare, Marquis De

(Still here I carry my old delicious burdens;
I carry them, men and women-- I carry them with me wherever I go;
I swear it is impossible for me to get rid of them;
I am fill'd with them, and I will fill them in return.)
Whitman, Walt, Song of The Open Road

"The sages do not consider that making no mistakes is a blessing. They believe, rather, that the great virtue of man lies in his ability to correct his mistakes and continually to make a new man of himself."
Wang Yang Ming (15th century) quoted by Helena Kuo

"Best men are moulded out of faults."
Shakespeare

"The History of the greatest princes is often the story of men's Mistakes."
Voltaire, La Siecle de Louis XIV, chap.XI

"For I am a man and think it no disgrace to have my share of human weaknesses."
Voltaire, La Pucelle, chant 7

"There is nothing more apt to deceive us than our own judgement, in deciding on our own works; and we should derive more advantage from having our faults pointed out by our enemies, than by hearing the opinions of our friends, because they are too much like ourselves, and may deceive us as much as our own judgement."
DaVinci, Leonardo, A TREATISE ON PAINTING

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So, how do you define "troll?" by Dana Pico on Saturday, Jan 26, 2008 at 8:20:25 AM
I cannot speak for Rob, but I think in general... by Steven Leser on Saturday, Jan 26, 2008 at 11:57:11 AM
i am willing to bet by Jeremy Frombach on Saturday, Jan 26, 2008 at 2:03:18 PM
Paul gets fair treatment here by Rob Kall on Saturday, Jan 26, 2008 at 5:29:00 PM
but anything against Zionism doesn't, Rob by Niloufar Parsi on Sunday, Jan 27, 2008 at 2:56:08 AM
My Two Cents by Paul Rye on Saturday, Jan 26, 2008 at 11:17:22 PM
Re: Is this site an open forum? by Frank J. Ranelli on Saturday, Jan 26, 2008 at 3:01:11 PM
Great Article..... by Michael Morris on Saturday, Jan 26, 2008 at 8:35:25 AM
What happened to my last line..LOL by Michael Morris on Saturday, Jan 26, 2008 at 8:37:30 AM
Just a Thought by PrMaine on Saturday, Jan 26, 2008 at 9:08:00 AM
cool idea by Rob Kall on Saturday, Jan 26, 2008 at 11:59:38 AM
Decorum and "one-hit-wonders" by Frank J. Ranelli on Saturday, Jan 26, 2008 at 2:41:16 PM
Rob by Mike Folkerth on Saturday, Jan 26, 2008 at 9:33:13 AM
fine piece Rob by Professor Emeritus Peter Bagnolo on Saturday, Jan 26, 2008 at 9:37:53 AM
If I did something wrong let me apologize. by John Hanks on Saturday, Jan 26, 2008 at 9:51:20 AM
Great visual by Rady Ananda on Saturday, Jan 26, 2008 at 1:40:05 PM
popularity vs. progressive by Rob Kall on Saturday, Jan 26, 2008 at 5:37:43 PM
popular or progressive by Rady Ananda on Saturday, Jan 26, 2008 at 9:31:19 PM
What I have seen by John Sanchez Jr. on Sunday, Jan 27, 2008 at 7:37:11 AM
Hate Speech Versus Free Speech by Jayne County on Wednesday, Jan 30, 2008 at 8:27:19 PM
In a land of gatekeepers and censorship by john riggs on Saturday, Jan 26, 2008 at 9:51:43 AM
Bravo John.... by Michael Morris on Saturday, Jan 26, 2008 at 9:56:39 AM
I guess I fit the catagory by Fascist Nation on Saturday, Jan 26, 2008 at 9:55:29 AM
Well Said by Pat Dazis on Saturday, Jan 26, 2008 at 9:56:09 AM
MLK + U2 by Eileen Fleming on Saturday, Jan 26, 2008 at 10:03:30 AM
Troll we know and love by ljs on Saturday, Jan 26, 2008 at 10:07:10 AM
I ran across just such a comment this morning by Kathlyn Stone on Saturday, Jan 26, 2008 at 10:13:57 AM
Totally unacceptable, I agree by Steven Leser on Saturday, Jan 26, 2008 at 12:11:39 PM
Keep flagging them by Kathlyn Stone on Saturday, Jan 26, 2008 at 2:09:54 PM
Your Message by Jeanette Doney on Sunday, Jan 27, 2008 at 10:19:51 AM
Wow, KS by Sandy Sand on Saturday, Jan 26, 2008 at 12:12:59 PM
Some people have balls to come in and attack a writer by Kathlyn Stone on Saturday, Jan 26, 2008 at 2:08:32 PM
Not everyone's a writer by Rob Kall on Saturday, Jan 26, 2008 at 5:45:22 PM
On Being Heard and Civility by Marcus B on Saturday, Jan 26, 2008 at 11:42:30 AM
Lurkers by Dale Hill on Saturday, Jan 26, 2008 at 11:44:27 AM
Very Bluntly by Sandy Sand on Saturday, Jan 26, 2008 at 11:55:57 AM
Use of Pseudonyms by Rady Ananda on Saturday, Jan 26, 2008 at 1:47:59 PM
You Might Be A Troll If... by Bob Tracey on Saturday, Jan 26, 2008 at 12:05:42 PM
this morning I goofed big time by Margaret Bassett on Saturday, Jan 26, 2008 at 12:07:49 PM
Writing for Change and Organizing for Change by Martin Zehr on Saturday, Jan 26, 2008 at 1:11:03 PM
The kurdish issue on OpEdNews by Rob Kall on Saturday, Jan 26, 2008 at 5:49:39 PM
Organization of thought demands organization of expression. by Steve Fallon on Saturday, Jan 26, 2008 at 1:20:52 PM
Fuck the policing of words by Rob Kall on Saturday, Jan 26, 2008 at 5:56:39 PM
Lurkers VS. Trolls by Anthony Wade on Saturday, Jan 26, 2008 at 1:28:21 PM
How about "shills" versus "trolls" by Michael Zimmer on Saturday, Jan 26, 2008 at 3:59:19 PM
Trolls, and fire eaters by shirley reese on Saturday, Jan 26, 2008 at 2:27:42 PM
Kathlyn Stone by Professor Emeritus Peter Bagnolo on Saturday, Jan 26, 2008 at 3:00:53 PM
If we aren't committed enough to truth to use our real names by Kathlyn Stone on Saturday, Jan 26, 2008 at 6:11:49 PM
Right ON Target by Professor Emeritus Peter Bagnolo on Saturday, Jan 26, 2008 at 3:10:13 PM
How interesting! by ladybroadoak on Sunday, Jan 27, 2008 at 8:16:31 AM
Very interesting by Tom Murphy on Sunday, Jan 27, 2008 at 7:26:57 PM
Rob.. by mikel paul on Saturday, Jan 26, 2008 at 3:52:46 PM
Malice is unacceptable. Support is priceless. by Mark Sashine on Saturday, Jan 26, 2008 at 3:56:04 PM
Letters of Rage Never Sent by Rick Mason on Saturday, Jan 26, 2008 at 4:22:24 PM
great writing by Rob Kall on Saturday, Jan 26, 2008 at 6:03:53 PM
How do you Define? by Marti Oakley on Saturday, Jan 26, 2008 at 4:59:51 PM
If I get a death threat, by Daniel Geery on Saturday, Jan 26, 2008 at 6:10:41 PM
pseudoname policy by Rob Kall on Saturday, Jan 26, 2008 at 6:33:16 PM
dealing with fools by mrcnw on Saturday, Jan 26, 2008 at 6:14:07 PM
Re by Kitt Rezner on Saturday, Jan 26, 2008 at 6:29:51 PM
As an on-line community gets larger... by waldopaper on Saturday, Jan 26, 2008 at 7:26:49 PM
In Support of TROLLS and LURKERS! by Dom Jermano on Saturday, Jan 26, 2008 at 7:32:16 PM
LIke I wrote... by Rob Kall on Saturday, Jan 26, 2008 at 7:57:08 PM
Bravo Rob by Dom Jermano on Saturday, Jan 26, 2008 at 9:59:04 PM
I'm an a**hole and a troll? by Gallaher on Saturday, Jan 26, 2008 at 8:01:07 PM
From fear to anger to hate and the role of incivility by Tom Murphy on Saturday, Jan 26, 2008 at 8:31:42 PM
Trolls etc by Mad Jayhawk on Saturday, Jan 26, 2008 at 9:14:35 PM
Forget 'Troll' how do you define 'Progressive' by Ro Bo on Sunday, Jan 27, 2008 at 2:03:44 PM
Word! by Tom deSabla on Monday, Jan 28, 2008 at 3:05:10 AM

 
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