Oh, not another 9/11 spinn for the Republicans!

Saying it so doesn't make it so, except to your circle of friends. I'm going to stick with the one third of the country who has examined mountains of data, pictures, interviews, scientific studies, and on and on.  God, to have these hundreds and HUNDREDS of substantive sites reduced to some variation of a "conspiricsy theory" is beyond the outer limits of rationality.  This isn't knee jerk opinion, this are facts, facts, facts, and mountains of facts.  Please, please check out just two or three sites. IF 9/11is when the United States of America lost its soul due to "fascililtating" Republicans, then its beyond criminal to be glib about this. 

Lastly, what counntry and poliltical party BENEFITED from 9/11?  Bush was in the toilet before this AT LEAST ALLOWED infamy took place.   To think the pugs were just asleep at the wheel is worse than a conspirisy theory!  It's turning the other way from increasingly probable infinite treason.   It's also the Republican party line -- whcih is very, very interesting.

by W. Christopher Epler (Bill) (248 articles, 52 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 589 comments) on Thursday, October 25, 2007 at 7:36:05 PM
 

Re: 9/11 Truth

by Munich (0 articles, 74 quicklinks, 13 diaries, 900 comments) on Thursday, October 25, 2007 at 9:46:05 PM
 

Predictions

For 40 years so-called "conspiracy theorists" have been clearly warning of what the "New World Order" would mean.  Clearly, they were right.  That they were "Paranoids", well, I consider them fully vindicated at this point and predict that in 5 more years, you and those who's denial has been the deepest, will be forced to concede that fact.

The paradigm you've occupied for your entire life is melting.  You've managed to parrot many claims made by those who know what the hell is really going on -for the most part-.  Your feet are damp at the moment, but I predict that you -like everyone else- will eventually be forced to swim and there will be no more denials.  Reading your post for me, is like reading a letter written by someone who boarded the Titanic, mocking the notion of anything going wrong, yet managing to correctly site the inevitable outcome of compartmental construction which is not sealed to the upper decks.

by Esbe (50 articles, 0 quicklinks, 17 diaries, 85 comments) on Thursday, October 25, 2007 at 10:12:28 PM
 

Re: 9/11 Truth

Well said Esbe.

Seeing is believing and what we are now witnessing from this pernicious Bush cabal is unconscionable.

This all started with 911, which was a pack of lies. Without it there'd be no illegal invasion of Iraq and now quite possibly, Iran.

Americans and Iraqi's are dying all because of someones maniacal quest for hegemony in the Middle East.

by Munich (0 articles, 74 quicklinks, 13 diaries, 900 comments) on Thursday, October 25, 2007 at 11:07:26 PM
 

figured it out did you?

Dear Randy,

     The Law of Physics IS NOT FICTION. Building Seven: 6.5 seconds. Free fall. The Pentagon: Plane vaporizes... yet 184 of 189 bodies 'positively' identified. Pennsylvania: 1 large crater with no plane... yet wreckage strewn over an 8 mile area.

     I do not KNOW the whos, whats or whys surrounding 9/11, but I must graciously request you continue your research not only on 9/11, but on ours and the worlds historical events. 100 to 200 years back is far enough to begin to see a clearer picture. Wars are a good place to begin.

     The left-right, democrat-republican, Hatfields-McCoys, liberal-conservative paradigm is an old as the hills magicians trick. See?..nothing up my sleeve...presto!!! Damn Randy. The Bank of England funded the English Army AND Napoleon!!!

     THIS IS OLD NEWS!

     What it is, is now we are at a point where the fabric of our beautifully simple Constitution has been abused, conjugated, ridiculed, dragged through the mud, spit upon and then used by the same 'GANG' as the very reason we must 'OFFENSIVELY' AND 'AGRESSIVELY' spread our great Democracy.

     As for Mr. Paul. Should he make it far enough to have his own place in our history books, either as our 44th President or not, I believe, and this is only my opinion, as is everything I'm spouting here......He represents a respect for the first time in many many years for Our Constitution. Not theirs, his, hers, mine or yours. OURS. Read it. It's beautiful.

     Damn again Randy...You are passionate, aren't you... You are smart too. You are a US Citizen.... with the right to voice your own ideas and live your life, without hurting others, as you choose......and you want to waste time talking about grouping?

     That's their plan Randy. They have their little powerful-as-hell group.  They have their stuff. They want more. Why? I don't know. I do know they do not care! They don't care about anything or anyone else except their little group. And I will bet that some of them in their little group who think they are 'safe' inside will be the first ones vetted out when they are no longer useful to them. Randy....THEY HAVE NO EMPATHY!!!!!

     They've been doing the bait and switch for a loooooong time. And we screwed up. We got lazy. WE ARE PAYING with our way of life. If you and me want to continue to enjoy what we are doing here today, online, in this internet medium that is quickly being fitted for regulation, WE BETTER WAKE UP.  

     Look around. Listen. Hear the noise? That's us, wasting time on the paradigm.

     Go back. Read our history. Your history. George freaking Washington was a RADICAL. Radicals wrote Our Bill Of Rights.. so that you and I could do this. Communicate, disagree, come to a consensus, live with our differences...all the while 'respecting' each others right to do the same.

     9/11 was used to continue the raping of OUR COUNTRY. We are close to completely losing what we have sadly taken for granted. 

     Lastly, you suggest Alex Jones is a radical. I'm not sure but I'll guess he'd take that as a compliment. You've put him in good company.

     The guys who we've been letting play our violins aren't radical Randy.

     They are EVIL.

     Peace.     

by mikel paul (11 articles, 1 quicklinks, 7 diaries, 442 comments) on Thursday, October 25, 2007 at 10:17:35 PM
 

I understand what you say and I understand that

every negative, vile, anti-American, traumatic, disaster that’s befallen The FUSA (Former United States of America) was not initiated/committed by this group of “bankers”, whoever they are, wherever they are.
 
I’ve never been much of a “conspiracy theorist”, if you will, although if one thinks about the meaning of those two words, believing that two or more people have conspired to commit crimes, police use theories of conspiracy all of the time in their work.

When she saw the first plane hit on the morning of 9/11, my wife said, “Bush did this.”

That’s right, she must have said that when she saw the second plane hit on that morning.  Bush was the only person who saw the first plane hit on the morning of 9/11 as that serendipitously taken video wasn’t seen by anyone else until later that day or was it the next day?  Yet, Dubya said that he saw it as it happened.

That’s not the point I’m trying to make, though.  My wife did make that comment and I didn’t respond one way or another because I was overwhelmed with what happened.

I didn’t follow the Kennedy assassination theory, the two gunmen as opposed to one. 

I still don’t know if FDR was in on Pearl Harbor or allowed it to happen.

My wife never followed up on her statement that “Bush did this”.  She never spoke about a “conspiracy” or anything like that.

When I saw David Ray Griffin speak on C-Span about his book, “The New Pearl Harbor”, I couldn’t understand for the life of me how no one else was asking the questions he was asking about 9/11.

Like you, I won’t go into any more detail about the crazy anomalies that happened on or around 9/11.  They’re easy enough to find for anyone who hasn’t heard them or seen them.

Your concern is legitimate.

I was going to go to Philadelphia during this past summer to attend what was supposed to be a huge gathering of people who opposed the war in Iraq.  There were conference calls as the day approached.  The people who planned it began to sound like second graders.

It became a conflict between those who wanted to “protest” the war and those who wanted to bring attention to 9/11 Truth.

You mention remotely controlled commercial jets.  I read not long ago that someone is theorizing about laser technology bringing the towers down.

There are those who are taking advantage of 9/11 to try to spread their innate hate of people of the Jewish faith, saying that Israel actually initiated what happened on 9/11.

So, although the so called investigations that have been conducted thus far have been lame, at best and I believe that many 9/11 Truthers merely want a logical and sensible investigation into what happened on 9/11, the different and, sometimes very questionable explanations of what happened on that day frustrate many of us.

When I first heard Griffin on C-Span, it was all about the anomalies and the things that just didn’t add up.

As you said, it’s now about the elite, or the bankers or who ever is trying to make a one world government, trying to put chips into all of our bodies so they can follow us around and then get rid of us.

It seems to me that, given the evidence, there’s enough of a chance that our government purposely and with malice aforethought killed 3,000 human beings on American soil on 9/11/01 so that Americans could do what they do so well, hate an entire ethnic or racial group. Middle Easterners look the part because their skin is darker than that of most Americans and they sound the part because most Americans can’t understand what they’re saying.  Since 9/11, sheeple have supported The Regime and far too many volunteered to go into hell to kill as many people of Middle Eastern descent as possible, although the support has fallen way off.

Saddam Hussein was a human being.  He killed a great many of his own citizens.

Stalin was a human being who killed his own citizens.

Hitler was a human being who basically did the same.

Maybe they all had biologically based mental illness or maybe they were conditioned to hate the way they did.  Nonetheless, they did.  And don’t we Americans just love to talk about how those awful men did what they did?

However, if one is born in The FUSA, if one grows up in America, if one becomes the President of The United States, that person and/or the people who make up his administration could never be like Stalin or Hitler or Saddam because, after all, they’re not human, they’re Americans.

Oh, and by the way, I’m so happy to hear someone else speak sensibly about Ron Paul.  If Fascism is defined by what Mussolini called “corporatism”, that is, governance of the people by a partnership between corporations and government, with private businesses having the larger chunk of power, Ron Paul comes about as close to being a fascist as any other candidate for president.  He’s not Progressive, that’s for sure.  You either pick yourself up and succeed in fierce competition for the earth’s resources or expect your wage to be whatever the corporate world wants it to be.

Michael Bonanno

by Michael Bonanno (87 articles, 19 quicklinks, 24 diaries, 124 comments) on Thursday, October 25, 2007 at 11:53:04 PM
 

The man who will not work, shall not eat! ???

Do you fully understand how money is created and how it is brought into circulation? If not, go to www.dollardaze.org and read, read, read.

Are you aware of the fact that thanks to modern technologies we could easily provide for the basic needs of every single human being on earth?

The only problem is that this production process only requires a small fraction of the population. The question is then: How can those who do not participate in the production process generate the income they need to buy housing, food, healtcare, education etc?

Our problem is: We are too efficient!!! We have to design a new system that allows people to satisfy their basic human needs even though they are not participating in the production process.

Some people say: "The man who will not work, shall not eat". That means whoever doesn't find a job, has no right to live. So, if you don't want to come up with a new way to run societies to adapt to the technological progress we have made, than you have to get rid of an ever growing portion of the population. Human beings will not just peacefully accept the fact that they are not needed, and therefore are not entitled to housing, food and shelter.

by Mike O. (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 5 comments) on Friday, October 26, 2007 at 2:44:47 AM
 

I am, at heart, a liberal.

- particularly in its original sense. And. I am also a proponent of 9/11 truth.

by richard (0 articles, 5 quicklinks, 2 diaries, 861 comments) on Friday, October 26, 2007 at 7:55:17 AM
 

medicis, that all politicians or, rather, states people were

like you. 

If one is a Progressive, one feels the need to be “pro choice”.

If one is a Conservative, one feels the need to support bringing prayer back into school.

I remember during Watergate, Republicans and Democrats didn’t follow such strict party lines.  We’ve come to a point where “supposed to” politics rules.  Conservatives are supposed to support certain policies and Progressives are supposed to support certain policies and god forbid that anyone should take each topic individually and support it or not support it according to his or her conscience or even in accordance with his or her constituency.  I agree that there are Republicans in office who pay lip service to certain policies while truly not supporting them and that there are Democrats that do the same.  Who knows, if we didn’t live under the political auspices of “supposed to” politics, we may be pulling troops out of Iraq as I write this.

Also, the fact that we must speak of Democrats and Republicans while treating so called “third parties” like people who have a third eye is absurd.

However, this article deals mostly with 9/11, the evidence for an alternative explanation and how it’s truly hurting the causes of Progressives.

I disagree with Mr. LoBasso’s implication that Progressives should distance themselves from any alternative explanation because Republicans, as they are so prone to do, take advantage of this kind of “marginal” thinking and blame Progressives for being illogical and, to be honest, for being space cadets.

It’s not the fact that we should investigate, in an open and honest way by making everyone testify under oath about what they knew about 9/11 and to accept all evidence pointing one way or another that’s giving those who support an alternative theory a bad name.  The investigations that have been conducted thus far have been lame dog and pony shows.

It seems that the more time passes, the more theories develop, making alternative explanations seem even more absurd.  New theories just throw the original theory into a pot with all theories, even some that are difficult to grasp and, thus, seem “out there” and the original questions asked by Griffin become part of a murky, unorganized larger theory which merely says “our government did it”.

It’s more important to get a real investigation into what happened on 9/11 than to continue coming up with new theories or new angles on the original theory.

Am I saying that, if we come across new information we should self censor?  Not really.  I’m saying to look at the information and ask, “Will this just serve to give the Republicans more fire power in making the entire possibility appear more out of the “mainstream” and appear more absurd?”

Our goal should be to get Congress to allow a truly fair and unbiased investigation which could include new, well researched theories as evidence.

It’s not only the fact that Progressives are being linked with the possibility of an alternative theory on what happened on 9/11 that’s getting Progressives a bad rap, it’s the confusion and strong infighting among those who believe that 9/11 was, as we’ve been saying, an “inside job” that makes the entire thought process seem weak and easily dismissible.

Michael Bonanno

by Michael Bonanno (87 articles, 19 quicklinks, 24 diaries, 124 comments) on Friday, October 26, 2007 at 11:19:47 AM
 

What The %$@#!

Totally False Article!

 Ron Paul 2008: Eliminate The IRS, Abolish the Federal Reserve (a private bank), 911 was a pre-text for a never ending war, WAKE-UP

www.fight4truth.com

by J. Vorhees (6 articles, 0 quicklinks, 1 diaries, 67 comments) on Saturday, October 27, 2007 at 7:58:10 AM
 

Why did the United States Start WWI?

The United States turned a European War into World War I by declaring War on Germany.

The following three changes were made in 1913.

1. Amendment 16 (Income Taxes) allowing the United States Government to tax income.

2. Amendment 17 (Direct Election of Senators) allowing the people instead of the States to select Senators.

3. The Federal Reserve System was established.

It takes 6 years for a complete change of the Senate or 4 years to change a Majority of the Senate. With the Special Interest Groups selecting the Senators instead of the States, the Senate voted to declare War on Germany in 1917 which turned the European War into the First World War.

This information titled "A Jewish Defector Warns America" at URL:
http://www.sweetliberty.org/issues/israel/freedman.htm

Did Great Britain cut a deal with the Zionists to get the United States to start World War I?

The injustices of the Treaty ending WWI almost certainly led to WWII. What Special Interests promoted these Wars and which ones are now promoting WWIII?

Congress was able to change the Constitution to make the United States a War Monger and have the money to support the wars, why is Congress unable to change the Constitution to make the Senators accountable to the Voters or the States instead of the Special Interests?

by Anton Grambihler (1 articles, 0 quicklinks, 4 diaries, 297 comments) on Saturday, October 27, 2007 at 10:29:24 AM
 

absurdities

Randy, you have provided a long list of things we 9/11 truth people are supposed to be saying. Many are absurd. There is no point in going through them one at a time to argue the point.

I simply say have a look at certain pieces of evidence. If these pieces of evidence prove explosives were used, then what is the point of your long essay? It doesn't matter how improbable the use of explosives seems, it happened. It makes no sense to suggest that al Qaeda could have got its workers past the tenants of WTC 7 to lay explosives. But as George Bush's brother and cousin were on the board of the company in charge of security you would have to agree they might have been able to arrange it.

So what are the pieces of evidence?

1. The steel was not hot enough to start the collapse of the towers. See NIST report, not the conclusion but the data within the body of the report.

2. The law of conservation of momentum requires that the buildings would have taken longer than they did to fall even if the steel is assumed to have zero strength. See paper by Kuttler, Journal of 9/11 Studies.

3. The material in the debris includes particles that are the signature for thermite. See papers by Jones, Journal of 9/11 Studies.

by gravity32 (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 174 comments) on Saturday, October 27, 2007 at 12:22:29 PM
 

The Twin Towers Did Not "Collapse", They Were Pulverized!

Anyone claiming the towers "collapsed" is doing a disservice to the truth. A look at this picture, and this picture, and this picture demonstrate that the towers did not "collapse", but were turned into dust. We even see the steel core turning to dust in this video clip.

Don't fall for the 9/11 Criminal Controlled Organizations (such as Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth) who use the term "collapse". The goal of these organizations is to distract people from the fact that most of the towers were turned to dust.

Another reason to avoid the above mentioned organization is due to the fact that they promote molten metal at Ground Zero. Just the mere lack of steam explosions proves there was no molten metal. See here for a step-by-step debunk of the molten metal "evidence". Much of this fabricated "evidence" came from Steven Jones. There's certainly no reason to trust him!

For the real evidence including current court cases with Attorney Jerry Leaphart, see Dr Judy Wood's site for evidence of Directed Energy Weapons, and Dr Morgan Reynolds' site for evidence of TV-Fakery / No WTC Plane Crashes.

by CB Brooklyn (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 423 comments) on Saturday, October 27, 2007 at 6:09:14 PM
 

Too broad a brush.

I think there has been a vast right-wing cartel conspiracy going on since the Civil War.  There is plenty of public and verifiable evidence for almost every episode from the Transcontinental railroad to 911.  But, you shouldn't tar everyone with the same Infowars brush.  The human race is made up of crooks, suckers, and lazy cowards.  The cartel elites have been the crooks and suckers.

by John Hanks (1 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 1373 comments) on Sunday, October 28, 2007 at 10:08:30 AM
 

logic is out again

There's CB Brooklyn exercising his illogic again. So the steel was pulverized? Don't take Judy's word for it - see for yourself. There is a vast amount of solid steel shown in the photos and the videos. It was just the concrete that was pulverized.

Anyone who tries to tell the world the steel was pulverized is either blind or a mischief maker.

And the buildings did fall right down didnt they? The word collapse covers that quite well. Of course they didn't collapse due to fire but due to explosives.

by gravity32 (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 174 comments) on Sunday, October 28, 2007 at 10:46:04 AM
 

Watch the video

You can see the towers turning to dust.

 Gravity32 maintains they didn't, so if it was "thermite + explosives", where's the steel? There should've been a total length of over 500 miles of steel in the debris piles. Where did it go?

Don't beleive these anonymous posters - check the data for yourselves folks - and you can find out EXACTLY who I am and what I do in one of the articles on my Website. Is that true of Gravity32? (I think I know who he is, though).

by Andrew Johnson (2 articles, 1 quicklinks, 1 diaries, 66 comments) on Monday, November 5, 2007 at 8:27:31 AM