Although it may not be politically correct to say so

because fear is a such a strong motivator there would be circumstances, less than some of a brutish dispositions would like, but some, where torture and terrorism would both work.

The reason to be against torture is that you can't rally decent people to your cause if you behave so indecently. Torture hurts the torturer and the cause of the torturer as well. 

The United States post 9-11 hurt itself far worse than the attackers of 9-11.

The United States became despicable to fight attrocity. More despicable, because it was coming from a better more powerful position with more choices than those it was fighting against.

Frankly when I hear Americans talk about torture or terrorism it doesn't phase me anymore. They have decided to fight not from the moral  high ground where they could have stood for something and had support of humans with human values but as brutes in the moral valleys.

The United States is the worst because it had more choices and it modelled the worst to the rest of the world.

9-11 was bad. The invasion of Iraq was worse was because it evidenced a greater corruption. Torture by the United States is worse because the United States places power in the hands of its citizens and the citizens can play a real part in forming its policy.

When the United States torures and terrorises the US citizen bears a share of the responsibilty and ceases to be innocent. That is a consequence of the  greater freedom and responsibility that US citizens have.  

by Brett Paatsch (0 articles, 2 quicklinks, 22 diaries, 1010 comments) on Tuesday, May 20, 2008 at 9:53:13 PM
 

I agree entirely

The people of the US are yet to realise the abomination they have become in they eyes of decent people everywhere.

It is truly and deeply sad.

by kwalsh (1 articles, 0 quicklinks, 6 diaries, 206 comments) on Wednesday, May 21, 2008 at 1:00:45 AM
 

Thanks...

Kwalsh, Do you think the general USA population will ever realise the damage done to their country by the bush administration?

Do you feel the US media is partly to blame for its involvement in the 'Hype building'?

by Mike Gracia (2 articles, 0 quicklinks, 9 diaries, 3 comments) on Thursday, May 22, 2008 at 10:40:09 AM