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April 20, 2008 at 14:20:17

Headlined on 4/20/08:
Election Fraud in Pennsylvania?

by Michael Collins     Page 2 of 3 page(s)

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Those citizens prefer optical scanners because optical scan machines count voter marked paper forms. However, unfortunately for those well intended citizens, optical scanners are no solution for these reasons. While the paper forms are marked by voters, they are counted by optical scanners, computers operating with programs that are "trade secrets." Pennsylvania allows automatic recounts in only races with a 0.5% or less victory margin and lacks a uniform guarantee for citizen examination of any paper trail that may exist. Optical scanners are computers just like touch screens and can be manipulated with detection extremely difficult. Finally, other than the vendors or contractors that sell and maintain the machines, there's no guaranteed access to the inner workings of these e-voting devices, none at all.

Will there be election fraud in Pennsylvania? We'll never know for all of the above reasons. It's all a secret. They have it. We, the citizens, don't


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Actual Election Fraud in Pennsylvania

Anyone who doubts the existence of massive election fraud needs to look no further than this primary. Failing to address real needs and issues of citizens is the biggest election fraud of all. Just turn on the television or pick up the newspaper.

The state faces real issues and the voters have very real concerns. The industrial base for the state left the country some time ago. Nothing replaced it except all those "new jobs" from NAFTA. As a result, there was major loss of well paying jobs for the working class and all the benefits that go with that, not the least of which is health insurance.

There are over a million uninsured in Pennsylvania. There are many more underinsured. In the rural areas and small towns, unemployment is a major concern. The tax base has taken a major hit. The state needs roads, bridges, and other vital structures and there's not enough money.

But what are the two hottest topics from this primary election? Obama got slammed for saying small town Pennsylvanians are "bitter" about getting screwed by their "public servants" for the last two or three decades. He was then attacked as an "elitist" and chastised for "talking down" to small town citizens. Instead of pointing out that heroin is more common than hope in too many small towns, Obama backed off and apologized.

The second big item in terms of press coverage is the mockery of a presidential primary debate in Philadelphia. The condescending Charles Gibson of CBS and flighty George Stephanopoulos of ABC spent over an hour talking about totally irrelevant issues. They wasted the time of both Sen. Clinton and Sen. Obama by forcing the dialog into the three ringed circus of strange mainstream media preoccupations.

While neither Clinton nor Obama openly objected during the debate, the crowd inside the debate hall did. They booed Charles Gibson which puts him in the company of Sean Hannity of Fox News who was pursued by angry Ron Paul supporters. Who needs Nielson ratings?

No Respect for Citizens

The election system in Pennsylvania is not available for inspection by the public, that 92% who said they'd like the option to observe vote counting. The machines don't allow that, they're computers. There's nothing to watch. The laws prevent that. It's a secret that only the election boards and the private contractors who count the vote get to see. The security of voting machines is in serious question and election oversight is conducted by the same people who created the system.

It's all a magic show, a series of illusions that can be manipulated by the entertainers, also known as politicians, or anyone well placed and determined enough to manipulate a system with few if any real safeguards.

The failure to discuss real issues is an insult to all citizens. It might explain why a majority fail to vote in primary elections and why 35% to 40% consistently fail to vote in the general elections for president. A common refrain among those who refuse to participate is "Why bother, they're all a bunch of crooks." Among those who do vote, there are huge doubts about the honesty of elections. A 2006 Zogby poll of 707 likely voters in Pennsylvania asked this question: "Do you think the 2004 election was stolen?" Forty percent said yes.

The public officials who control elections behave as though the people are stupid and ignorant of the questionable practices of secret vote counting and outsourced elections. Wrong! The citizens of Pennsylvania know what the story is. Just add the 40% of likely Pennsylvania voters who thought 2004 was stolen with the 35% to 40% who routinely stay home because they doubt the system. That produces a majority of citizens who have serious doubts about a system created to serve the elected and not the electors.

The news media act like the people are a bunch of sheep who buy whatever the media put out because some people actually watch the news. They fail to note that in polls on public respect for various professions, the television news media gets a 16% approval rating. The people who booed debate anchor Gibson are a perfect reflection that attitude.

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Michael Collins is a writer who focuses on clean elections and voting rights. See this summary of his articles plus Election 2004: The Urban Legend and groundbreaking research and commentary in "" His web site, Election Fraud News & The Money Party, offers a collection of resources and commentary on critical issues facing the country.

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Currently I'm a cartoonist and contributing writer for The New Orleans Levee. For those wishing to view my work you can see my latest at: nolvee.com
Mr MCurrently I'm a cartoonist and contributing writer for The New Orleans Levee. For those wishing to view my work you can see my latest at: nolvee.com

If voting could change things - they'd make it illegal

Massive Election Fraud is the most obvious and blatant of many crimes, that has been completely ignored by a M$M, that is also obviously as bought-off as State Attorney Generals, judges, law-makers and just about our whole damn government and law enforcement agencies, in their effort to keep real power from The People.

It's simply mind-boggling that after election 2000 there wouldn't have been a Manhattan Project effort to get a uniform, verifiable, publicly witnessed election system. Yet just this past week Republicans blocked an effort to get paper-trail machines to replace e-voting ones in time for election because of cost - $685-million - about 4 days in Iraq.

They haven't even addressed little things that would help, such as moving voting day to a Saturday, or trashing an antiquated Electoral College.

Yeah, it's screwed-up, but, for now it's all we got.

by Mr M (4 articles, 0 quicklinks, 12 diaries, 1428 comments) on Monday, April 21, 2008 at 1:06:25 AM
 


Michael Collins is a writer who focuses on clean elections and voting rights. See this summary of his articles plus Election 2004: The Urban Legend and groundbreaking research and commentary in "" His web site, Election Fraud News & The Money Party, offers a collection of resources and commentary on critical issues facing the country.
Michael CollinsMichael Collins is a writer who focuses on clean elections and voting rights. See this summary of his articles plus Election 2004: The Urban Legend and groundbreaking research and commentary in "" His web site, Election Fraud News & The Money Party, offers a collection of resources and commentary on critical issues facing the country.

MrM, you're right on target.

The failure to fix this in a way that's completely open to examination and verification tells us one thing: they don't want it fixed. They trot out all these technical solutions that further distance elections from the people and put in place competing experts. It has to be obscure and distant. Without that, they'd have no control. If you look at Clinton's election bill from the last Congress, you'll see a real nightmare of complexity. Don't know where Obama comes down on that and I really don't care for now. But whoever is elected has about one chance to prove their sincerity - fix the system with a very low tech solution, total citizen control, and safeguards. Failing to do that will make them just another politician who wants honesty but likes that "hedge fund" feeling they get form the "levers" of power.

Your point on a Saturday election day is the exemplar.  How hard is this?  Or how hard is it to declare election days a national holiday, state holiday.  I'm sure they'd go for Saturday with that choice.  Simple, simple, simple ... and what have they done about it.  This foot dragging proves the entire case.  Nice point. 

by Michael Collins (96 articles, 16 quicklinks, 5 diaries, 344 comments) on Monday, April 21, 2008 at 1:15:38 AM
 


Currently I'm a cartoonist and contributing writer for The New Orleans Levee. For those wishing to view my work you can see my latest at: nolvee.com
Mr MCurrently I'm a cartoonist and contributing writer for The New Orleans Levee. For those wishing to view my work you can see my latest at: nolvee.com

Actually $685 Million is 2 Days in Iraq

About the only thing to do now is have as many poll-watchers and monitors tracking and taking exit poll results as we can get and turn-out in record numbers. If there is obvious election fraud occurring (there always is) maybe, just maybe something can be done.

My worst fear is that another "false flag" attack occurs before election and/or we attack Iran. If that happens, all bets are off and take to the hills, for we'll slide into total fascism faster than we could form a resistance - if there would even be any. And this seems increasingly plausible, as more and more crimes keep coming to light. Last thing these cretins will let happen is for them to be held accountable and have power ripped from their grasp. The fact that so far there has been little noticeable out-cry from exposure of the Torture Meetings and bush can basically give his version of cheney's "So?" is very telling in the way that if an administration can blatantly flaunt long-held established laws on one of the most heinous crimes a government can commit and not just get away with it, but rub our faces in it, tells us, and them, they can do anything they want with impunity, including stealing another election or canceling elections altogether.

Everything is in place for a complete take-over, directives have been signed, camps have been built, law-enforcement has been conditioned. All that is needed is for bush to declare a "state of emergency" and it's all over. Already they're using the excuse of this phony "War on Terror" to shred what basic rights we have and becoming more and more excessive in doing so. This week a massive multi-state exercise was pulled-off where road-blocks pulled over thousands of people for no reason at all other than to intimidate and arrest people for any infraction found. (In a btw, police are now taking DNA from anyone they stop, no matter if arrested or not)  Citizens in many cities where stopped, searched and held for "back-ground" checks. Use of military as police, a direct violation of posse comitatus is now common place, there are still military police patrolling streets of New Orleans.

If we have any chance at all it's a slim one. This summer will be very telling.  

by Mr M (4 articles, 0 quicklinks, 12 diaries, 1428 comments) on Monday, April 21, 2008 at 8:50:37 AM
 


Baby Boomer computer Geekess who is just lately paying attention to politics. Since the Live and Let Live philosophy hasn't been working, speaking up just may make a difference.
Hope HofmannBaby Boomer computer Geekess who is just lately paying attention to politics. Since the Live and Let Live philosophy hasn't been working, speaking up just may make a difference.

Awful scenario

"This week a massive multi-state exercise was pulled-off where road-blocks pulled over thousands of people for no reason at all other than to intimidate and arrest people for any infraction found. (In a btw, police are now taking DNA from anyone they stop, no matter if arrested or not)  Citizens in many cities where stopped, searched and held for "back-ground" checks. Use of military as police, a direct violation of posse comitatus is now common place, there are still military police patrolling streets of New Orleans."

MrM you have thoroughly scared me! DNA? Good Grief! Where did you hear this? In what states was this exercise conducted? It's sounding like a real life "Jericho" to me.

by Hope Hofmann (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 9 comments) on Monday, April 21, 2008 at 6:37:51 PM
 


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Better World OrderErik Larson, Human Being and concerned Citizen. Member of 911Truth.org Advisory Board. Opinions expressed here are my own. I only advocate and practice non-violent methods of social and political activism & change.

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i'm gonna vote in 08

not sure yet for who, but I don't see how the American People can be expected to have confidence in an electoral process conducted on notoriously unreliable, easily hackable evoting/counting machines controlled by secretive and unaccountable private interests- especially when some of the major players have given clear indications of conflict of interest and corruption.

BradBlog.com, BlackBoxVoting.org and ElectionDefenseAlliance.org all seem to be doing good work towards making the system honest, transparent and accountable, so the public can have high confidence the elections accurately reflect the People's will. Who doesn't want that? Who thinks confidence and transparency are good, even primary things to have in an election?

The proven best way to do this is to have paper ballots, publicly accountable chain of ballot custody from printer to election night to recount, which hopefully can be avoided by hand-counting all the ballots in the local precincts on election night, with results immediately public and open for all to see and report. Canada runs their elections like this- and they have a universal health care system.

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by Better World Order (4 articles, 417 quicklinks, 27 diaries, 881 comments) on Monday, April 21, 2008 at 1:09:36 AM
 


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john de herreraWriter from California

keep spreading that link

to Friends of the Article V Convention. imo, it's our only way out of this mess.

by john de herrera (34 articles, 0 quicklinks, 2 diaries, 148 comments) on Tuesday, April 22, 2008 at 9:56:36 PM
 


Writer from California
john de herreraWriter from California

keep spreading that link

to Friends of the Article V Convention. imo, it's our only way out of this mess.

by john de herrera (34 articles, 0 quicklinks, 2 diaries, 148 comments) on Tuesday, April 22, 2008 at 9:56:36 PM
 


Conservative prolife anti-death penalty tree hugger. Believe that less government is good government, government cannot solve anyone's personal problems, the government taking money from one group of people and giving it to another group of people is a crime, and that people should take responsibility for their own lives.
Mad JayhawkConservative prolife anti-death penalty tree hugger. Believe that less government is good government, government cannot solve anyone's personal problems, the government taking money from one group of people and giving it to another group of people is a crime, and that people should take responsibility for their own lives.

Voting Fraud

Thee are a ton of ways to steal an election.  With computers it is an impossible situation.  They can be manipulated.  The companies who develop the equipment and the software do not want their code available for inspection for more than the reason most people here think of.  There are competitive reasons as well as if the code were available to hackers it would be hacked.  So the companies that develop the hardware and software can't win.  If they are secretive then they are trying to rig the election and if they let everyone see the code then anyone can rig the election.

Using paper ballots are the most secure way of voting.   But there are problems with that too.  Paper ballots can be manipulated as well.  Counters can miscount on purpose or by mistake.  Voters who cast ballots may not be eligible to vote.  Voters can vote many times.  The dead are voting.  Felons are voting.  Illegals are voting. 

I think that paper ballots with close oversight of the casting and counting of those ballots and voter ID cards are the way to go.  Something has to be done.  Both Republicans and Democrats can reprogram or hack computers.

It is hilarious that liberals seem to get their panties twisted up over voter fraud (because they seem to think that only Republicans steal elections) but are against voter ID cards.  More elections have been stolen by ineligible people voting than by rigged computers.

by Mad Jayhawk (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 311 comments) on Tuesday, April 22, 2008 at 1:23:34 PM
 


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john de herreraWriter from California

you would be interested to know about this group:

http://www.foavc.org

if we had an article v convention folks like yourself could be delegates and propose an amendment that standardizes The Vote.

by john de herrera (34 articles, 0 quicklinks, 2 diaries, 148 comments) on Tuesday, April 22, 2008 at 9:54:45 PM
 

 

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