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Dr. Abolhassan Astaneh-Asl is a professor of civil and environmental engineering at the University of California at Berkeley, who specializes in studying structural damage done by earthquakes and terrorist bombings. He flew to New York on September 19, 2001 to conduct a two-week reconnaissance of the collapsed towers, hoping to gain an understanding of how they'd come down. He was able to examine numerous pieces of steel taken from Ground Zero. [1]

He said the towers were exceptionally well designed and built, describing the WTC as "the best-designed building I have ever seen." [2] Yet the structural steel had suffered unusual warping and other major damage:

  • Astaneh-Asl said that steel flanges "had been reduced from an inch thick to paper thin." [3]
  • At a recycling center in New Jersey, he saw 10-ton steel beams from the towers that "looked like giant sticks of twisted licorice." [4] He showed the San Francisco Chronicle a "banana-shaped, rust-colored piece of steel" that had somehow "twisted like toffee during the terrorist attack." [5]
  • He noted the way steel from the WTC had bent at several connection points that had joined the floors to the vertical columns. He described the connections as being smoothly warped, saying, "If you remember the Salvador Dali paintings with the clocks that are kind of melted--it's kind of like that." He added, "That could only happen if you get steel yellow hot or white hot--perhaps around 2,000 degrees." [6]
  • In an interview in 2007, Astaneh-Asl recalled, "I saw melting of girders in [the] World Trade Center." [7]
  • He found a foot-long twisted shard of steel that was "like a piece of bread, but it was high-strength steel." He commented, "I haven't seen anything like this [before]." [8]
  • He came across "severely scorched [steel] members from 40 or so floors below the points of impact [by the planes]." [9]
  • The fireproofing that had been used to protect the WTC steel also showed evidence of extreme conditions. In some places it had "melted into a glassy residue." [10]
  • Astaneh-Asl saw a charred I-beam from WTC Building 7--a 47-story skyscraper that collapsed late in the afternoon of 9/11, even though no plane hit it. "The beam, so named because its cross-section looks like a capital I, had clearly endured searing temperatures. Parts of the flat top of the I, once five-eighths of an inch thick, had vaporized." [11]

These observations indicate that the World Trade Center steel was subjected to very high temperatures. Yet, while postulating that the towers collapsed due to fire (and without the use of explosives), even Thomas Eagar--an engineering professor at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology--admitted, "The temperature of the fire at the WTC was not unusual, and it was most definitely not capable of melting steel." [12] One must conclude that the phenomena observed by Astaneh-Asl are therefore highly suspicious. ...

Engineer Sees Evidence of Extreme Temperatures in WTC Steel

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How to square the circle?

Dear Len,

I figure you might find it helpful to check out the website of http://www.drjudywood.com - tons of amazing pictures of weird Dali type happpenings that day, but Wood and Hutchison  dispute that it needs heat to make it happen!

 

Hutchison effect technology - or beam weapons, or directed energy weapons or  cold disintegration/fusion effects. 

Take care about the Thermite-to-create-the-necessary-heat  hypothesis , as then Hawks Cafe people tell us that Al Qada in Iraq stole all that Thermite precuror material from Saddam's rocket programe and shipped it via Quebec to NY Harbour and then put it in the Trade towers for tehermite-enhanced destrction of the towers. 

 Thus co-opting 911 'truth' for renewed war purposes (plus scapegoating the relatively lowly Bush dup, Marvin and Wirt Winkler iii who were involved in the security company at the WTC).  

 

cheers, keith 

by Keith Mothersson (6 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 74 comments [1 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Friday, Feb 29, 2008 at 12:00:05 PM

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Important points, Keith

In any crime scene, it's important to establish WHAT happened before further action is taken.

 As you point out, there is a great deal of evidence at http://www.checktheevidence.com/ and http://www.nomoregames.net shows that what some 9/11 truthers think happened did not happen.

Another example is "So many witnesses saw and heard the 2nd plane hit the WTC that those who say there were no planes at the WTC are stupid/disinfo/cointelpro" etc. However, if you look at the actual data gathered, you actual start to question the "received wisdom" about witnesses. This study has links to all the witness data.

Also, the thermite theory has mainly been proposed by Steve Jones. Evidence regarding his previous activities should also be examined closely.

by Andrew Johnson (2 articles, 1 quicklinks, 7 diaries, 99 comments [6 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Friday, Feb 29, 2008 at 1:20:35 PM

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Oops

 

http://www.checktheevidence.com/ should have been http://www.drjudywood.com/

 Witness study is: here

 

by Andrew Johnson (2 articles, 1 quicklinks, 7 diaries, 99 comments [6 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Friday, Feb 29, 2008 at 1:26:40 PM

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Reply: There are no "Directed Energy Weapons" involved in this.

The buildings were most likely brought down with thermite cutter charges.

There are presently no directed ennergy weapons anywhere near capable of doing the things Judy Wood is apparently imagining, nor are there likely to be any such weapons any time soon.

by Harold Smith (0 articles, 3 quicklinks, 2 diaries, 556 comments [1 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Friday, Feb 29, 2008 at 5:19:23 PM

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Reply: Look at Judy Woods' website

Look at Judy Woods' website and especially review the numerous images of cars parked as far as half a mile away from WTC complex that were mysteriously melted and deformed... strangely with all their chrome plated parts, such as door handles and grilles completely vaporized... Trucks which were melted like butter at one end while intact at the opposite.

Perhaps it was not a "directed beam weapon" but some massive burst of heat or energy... What turned concrete to dust while leaving tons of paper untouched and littering all those those streets?

by mrk * (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 318 comments [14 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Friday, Feb 29, 2008 at 9:55:44 PM

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Reply: you have said this in other threads

as if you're some kind of authority on directed energy weapons. Please cite your credentials that allow you to make such a definitive statement about the existence of such DEWs.

For example....

Did you work at Los Alamos?

Did you work for Applied Research Associates (ARA)?

Did you work for Science Applications International Corporation (SAIC)?

Both ARA and SAIC are sponsors of the Directed Energy Professional Society.

Both ARA and SAIC were contracted by NIST for the WTC report.

Steven Jones worked at Los Alamos. 

 

Again, under what basis can you claim that such weapons don't exist? Be specific., and try to explain yourself scientifically.

by CB Brooklyn (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 477 comments [34 recommended, 1 rejected]) on Saturday, Mar 1, 2008 at 4:17:39 PM

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Reply: another idea...

If DEWs were used to destroy the WTC, what would the coverup perps be doing right now?

by CB Brooklyn (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 477 comments [34 recommended, 1 rejected]) on Saturday, Mar 1, 2008 at 11:00:46 PM

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Reply: It's too bad the Dr. Judy Wood site has incorrect assertions

There appears to be a common theme in the site of attacking the theory of controlled demolition using thermite.

To make this case against thermite CD, some liberties have been taken with reports made by professor Steven Jones.  Quoting the Dr. Judy Wood site:

Steven Jones often talks about the "pools of molten metal" and "ponds of molten metal" in the basements of the WTC towers. He's also repeated the story of the steel-toed boots of the workers melting "after just a few hours" doing work on "the pile" at the WTC site.

Steven Jones also states that you need to run experiments to prove something.  OK, if he's going to use that story of the workers' steel-toed boots melting because of the molten metal on "the pile," he needs to do experiments. (This is his rule.) A true scientist values observations and careful analysis of evidence as essential, whether the evidence already exists or if it is obtained through an experiment.

So, if Steven Jones believes experiments must be conducted to confirm anything, then he needs to put on some steel-toed work boots and slosh across molten metal and then report back his results about what happened to the boots. I think it was said the boots melted in "a few hours" on the pile, which means at least two hours. So, Jones needs to stand in the molten metal for two hours to see what happens to the boots.

It has been several years since I first heard about molten metal in the pile and at no time had I ever considered that the molten metal was at the top of the pile.  The first time I ever heard that idea was today on the Dr. Judy Wood site.  All previous accounts I have read speak of molten metal being at the bottom of the pile or at least well below the surface. 

Obviously, no boot or foot would survive a "slosh across molten metal".  However, no one is claiming anyone did walk in molten metal so this is a baseless criticism.  However, if one walks on a pile that is being heated from somewhere below by molten metal, the idea that boots could melt over the course of several hours is quite reasonable.

I could ignore this baseless criticism as a isolated case of misunderstanding, however this single page continues by making another odd critique.  The page shows the original photograph and the high contrast version used in a presentation by Dr. Jones. 

Steven Jones said those bright-white spots are evidence of thermite. I think you are right that it's also so dark that you can't see what's going on. The psyops is to train the viewer to see "thermite" when they see this photo

What is odd about this critique is that the same white spots are clearly visible in the original photo.  I do not see how adjusting the contrast to make the white spots easier to see is somehow sinister.

Further, an insinuation is made that Steven Jones, David Ray Griffin, and others are somehow part of the official cover up:

Definition of Psychological Operations:

'Psychological Operations:  Planned operations to convey selected information and indicators to foreign audiences to influence their emotions, motives, objective reasoning, and ultimately the behavior of foreign governments, organizations, groups, and individuals. The purpose of psychological operations is to induce or reinforce foreign attitudes and behavior favorable to the originator's objectives. Also called PSYOP. See also consolidation psychological operations; overt peacetime psychological operations programs; perception management. ' US Department of Defense

Where is any evidence for this insinuation other than the misrepresented information presented on this page? 

I do not want to leave the impression that the site has no merit.  To the contrary, the page using billiard balls to illustrate WTC collapse times is one of the clearest demonstrations yet of the fallacy in the official government conspiracy theory about how the towers were destroyed.  There is merit in investigating the cause of selective melting in nearby vehicles and other evidence that may have not been explained by the official theory or controlled demolition.

However, critique of any theories must be based on an understanding of the assertions made in those theories, and conjecture about the motives of those involved, while interesting, does nothing to further the science.

 

by csnet (0 articles, 2 quicklinks, 2 diaries, 121 comments [12 recommended, 0 rejected]) on Sunday, Mar 2, 2008 at 4:30:48 PM

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Too Strident

Is 9-11 an excuse to vent your spleen on this pet peeve of trashing Christianity? You obviously hate Christianity and that seems to be the main thrust of this article.  The bigotry here is a good example of poisoning the well, thus tarring the whole truth movement.

by Jerry Jones (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 1 comments) on Friday, Feb 29, 2008 at 2:49:44 PM

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Not strident enough...

Too Strident

It is impossible to be 'strident' in the condemnation of mass murder!

Is 9-11 an excuse to vent your spleen on this pet peeve of trashing Christianity? You obviously hate Christianity and that seems to be the main thrust of this article.

The thrust of the article was lost on you. It had to do with the probable cause that mass murder was committed. It's not my fault that Bush's base --by his own admission --consisted largely of fundamentalist Christians. I can assure you, my points are valid had Bush's base consisted of Muslims, Sufis, or Sun Worshippers. The point because you missed it is that people believe whatever makes them feel good about themselves. Belief in an irrational conspircy theory, the official conspiracy theory, relieves those who believe of responsibility. Some folk are psychologically pre-disposed to blame others for their own failures. By extension, these folk cannot accept the fact that Bushco lied about 911. There is not a shred of hard evidence in support of anything thing he's ever said about 911. 

The bigotry here is a good example of poisoning the well, thus tarring the whole truth movement.

I think it is you who is the bigot! You have a big log in your eye. Where do you get off attributing positions to me that I have not taken? I made an analogy to Christian theology, apparently lost on you. Next time try debating without attributing to othes positions that they have not taken.

by Len Hart (134 articles, 175 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 555 comments) on Saturday, Mar 1, 2008 at 11:18:15 AM

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9/11 Information

Court Cases in the US District Court,
Southern District of New York,
with Attorney Jerry Leaphart:

** Dr Judy Wood, suing on behalf of the United States of America and demanding a Trial by Jury, has evidence that Directed Energy Weapons were a causal factor in the destruction of the World Trade Center:

http://drjudywood.com/articles/NIST/Qui_Tam_Wood.html

Docket No. 1:07-cv-03314-GBD
Title: Wood v. Applied Research Associates, Inc. et al
Judge: George B. Daniels


** Dr Morgan Reynolds, suing on behalf of the United States of America and demanding a Trial by Jury, has evidence that the Media broadcasted cartoons of an airplane hitting the South Tower:

http://nomoregames.net/index.php?page=911&subpage1=federal_case

Docket No. 1:07-cv-04612-GEL
Title: Dr. Morgan O. Reynolds v. Science Applications International Corp. et al
Judge: George B. Daniels


PRESS RELEASE:
Scientists See WTC - Hutchison Effect Parallel - On a Washington DC local radio station, WPFW, Scientists discuss true nature of destruction of WTC Complex on 9/11 and conclude it was related to a known effect:

http://www.prlog.org/10048184-scientists-see-wtc-hutchison-effect-parallel.html

 

The 9/11 attacks, the 9/11 cover up, and the 9/11 "truth movement" were orchestrated by people associated with directed energy weapons and the media:

9/11 Directed Energy Weapon / TV-Fakery Suppression Timeline

 

by CB Brooklyn (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 477 comments [34 recommended, 1 rejected]) on Saturday, Mar 1, 2008 at 4:20:56 PM

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I can handle the truth

911 Truthers seek to encourage the general population to support an international/non-neocon dominated investigation of the 911 atrocity; an open process that is well funded and has subpoena power. This mass murder has never been properly and publicly investigated. Existing forensic evidence relative to dust and metallic sphere chemical analysis casts real doubt on the official NIST and FEMA building collapse theories. (wtc.nist.gov/media/JonesWTC911SciMethod.pdf page 22)

In our system of government (as if that means anything anymore), it is a jury that is the finder of fact. In this mass murder case, there has been no discovery, no presentation of evidence, no direct testimony and no cross-examination. We have had to settle for a flawed, incomplete and self-contradictory 911 Commission public report that made damn sure that no one would be held accountable.

Planned trials of accused terrorists allegedly responsible for the 911 attacks will be in secret. Published testimony will be censored due to "national security" concerns. Confessions obtained under torture will likely be introduced into evidence. The death penalty will follow and, like Saddam, dead men tell no tales. There will be no further public disclosure of the money trail, or of the unusual insider trading (short selling UA, AA, etc.) hours before the attack that made several "unknown" entities tens of millions.

With all the lies this administration has spewed over the past seven years, why anyone would give them the benefit of the doubt on anything is beyond me. And in the case of the 911 atrocity, there is ample room for doubt.

by brisa (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 9 comments) on Sunday, Mar 2, 2008 at 10:32:01 AM

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