OpEdNews - Page 2 of Article: Transcript of Podcast Interview with Paul Craig Roberts

and http://www.antiwar.com/

would refuse to even publish my economics columns, because they have this sort of crazy idea that off-shoring is "free trade," and we're benefiting.
And it was a form of mindlessness that just sort of, eventually, wore me out.
I think I have also repeated myself endlessly on the fact that we have lost the Constitution. We have a police state. We're at war based on lies and deceptions, wars that under the Nuremburg standard that the United States itself set up are war crimes,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laws_of_war

that these wars serve a very few, powerful organized special interests, and that people are being slaughtered and destroyed in order to serve a few rich special interests. And I think it's just been very frustrating to see the defense of the wars, the defense of the police state - not just by right-wing crazies, but even by progressives, people on the left. And we've seen the federal judiciary essentially abandon civil liberties. They go along with these indefinite detentions, with these fake show trials of alleged terrorists, all of whom are a part of some FBI-organized plot. All of these arrests they make are the result of a federal agent going in and stirring up people and talking to them and trying to get them to do things. There are no real plots there, and the judges go along with the pretense. There has been very little comment, if any, from law schools and bar associations. So, the willingness of people to give up their civil liberties and the Constitution IS astounding. This is especially the case when so many Americans think that when you're defending the Constitution and civil liberties, you are anti-American, and you are on the side of Muslim terrorists. So, they can't even perceive what the real threat is. You see, America is the Constitution, and the attack on the Constitution is coming from the American government, not from terrorists.

And " so that kind of made me see it's futile. I get letters from the right-wing saying, "If you hate America so much, why don't you move to Cuba?" And I get letters from the left-wing saying, "We can't believe you! You worked for Reagan."

And then of course, we have the 9/11 issue. 9/11 is the reason we have these wars and the police state, and yet it can't be discussed. It can't even be mentioned on sites that are totally opposed to the war and the police state such as

http://www.counterpunch.org/ or

http://anti-war.com/

And so you've got these sites and all this intellectual energy trying to oppose the police state and oppose the wars, and yet they accept the premise on which WAR AND TYRANNY are based. And it's impossible to oppose the war and the police state when you believe the government's account of 9/11, because that's the basis. And so, it makes you realize the whole thing is just sort of futile, and so if you are tired on top of that, and you are repeating yourself, then you realize it's essentially futile, because you can't cut through any of the issues. And I think that's why I decided I was really sort of just pissing into the wind.

Rob Kall:
Well, I think that there are a whole lot of people feeling pretty discouraged, disgusted, futile, hopeless after seeing how we've been lied to by Obama, how we're dealing with a Congress where everybody seems to be working for the corporations and nobody for Main Street. I know I'm having days where I'm wondering. I'm trying to think. Do you just quit? I mean, you've been at this your whole life, just about, haven't you?

Paul Craig Roberts:
Yeah, yeah. I'm seventy-one years old, too, and I decided I wanted a little bit of what might be left of my life for myself.
But look, Rob, you have a very good site.

http://www.opednews.com/index.php

It's very broad. It deals with lots of issues. I've never been censored on your site, even though there is somebody associated with it who claims he's a scientist, and tries to prevent any mention of 9/11 stuff.

Rob Kall:
Frankly, among our senior editors, there is a lot of disagreement about 9/11. And our policy has been to publish new ideas, new angles, new information. But what we've found with 9/11 is there are a lot of people who wake up to 9/11. They watch "Loose Change," or read a book about it, and then they think that it's a new discovery, and they write an article about the most basic elements of it and want us to publish it, even though we've published hundreds, maybe thousands of them.

Paul Craig Roberts:
Yes, well, as I said, I'm not being censored there on your site, though I do know that you've got people there who have fallen for the government's line. It blows my mind. I can't see how anybody with even a minimal education can believe the government's account. It's unbelievable. It violates every known law of physics that I learned at Georgia Tech. Khalid Sheikh Mohammed would have to be a more powerful superhero than "V" in the movie "V For Vendetta." This guy somehow outwitted all sixteen U.S. Intelligence agencies, all foreign intelligence agencies including Mossad, outwitted the National Security Council and the Pentagon, could keep the air force from launching interceptor planes, could cause the Pentagon's state-of-the-art air defenses to FAIL, could cause airport security to FAIL four times in one hour. All the these things that are attributed to this guy on 9/11. It's beyond fantasy, and yet people believed it. If he's this powerful, my God, we should be courting him! We should do whatever it takes to get him on our side. [laughs]

So, the whole thing is preposterous. And then they have to water-board him, you see, 183 times to get some kind of confession. They've got to close this issue, because it's dynamite for them. It's such a BLATANTLY OBVIOUS inside job that they've got to close it down. And so, all of a sudden it's not bin Laden anymore, it's somebody we never before heard about. And he's now the "mastermind." They are going to close it down the same way they closed down the anthrax thing, by blaming it on the dead guy.

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