R.K.: It is tough out there and things are hard and I'm not going to argue with you that probably over the course of your lifetime things have gotten a lot worse in many, many ways, maybe all ways. But you're still fighting, I'm fighting and a lot of people are and I think that what we need to do is keep putting the ideas out there and maybe some of them will stick and maybe some people will wake up and you never know. You know? Howard Zinn and Woody Guthrie...
K.S.: And you're right...
R.K.: There are a million people, a million things that are going to change the world, so go ahead.
K.S.: I keep writing because that's the thing I do. And there are occasional times when it seems to me that things are so obviously awful that people will wake up and start thinking about the things that I am telling them. That's why I wrote a column for the local paper in January called, "After this Year," meaning take a look at what's happened this year and you can see that the government isn't working and the reason the government isn't working is that it's too big and so then I went through a long spiel about why we needed decentralization and devolution of power and separatism and secession and self-determination.
And that is what I have devoted my life to in one way or another for fifty years. And I'm continuing to do it because every now and again I think that things have reached such a low point that everybody has got to understand that we can't go on with this. But does that happen? No. People go on electing people to some office and think that they're going to change the world.
R.K.: Well, I... your article is a very interesting one. I'm glad we worked it out so that it will be available soon on opednews.com so people who are listening to this will be able to find it easily and I'll put a link on the page of podcasts to the article as well. And what you've been doing for a long time, I'm just getting up to speed on and I'm excited about it so I have...maybe I'm bringing new eyes to it, beginner's mind to it, but I'm very excited about the idea that small is beautiful and that big is a problem and I love some of the things that you've said.
You say in your article that immensity, bulk, quantity, greatness, etcetera, they're part of the problem and you actually discuss how too big is abnormal and actually I've been writing about that for a couple of years now in terms of billionaires. I believe that billionaires are an abnormal form of gigantism economically and I've been advocating that we've got to make it so there aren't any more billionaires. But if...
K.S.: Well, that's a nice way of looking at it. Yeah.
R.K.: Now, in your article you talked about the idea that we should be, there should be secession and that somehow the US is too big and that it should be smaller and you have some ideas about how big a nation should be based on some research that you've done. Can you talk about that a bit?
K.S.: Yeah. Let me start by saying where this secession idea comes from. It was a conference that we held in Montpelier, Vermont in 2004, just after the illegal election of Bush. Again. The illegal reelection.
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