WILKERSON: No, it shouldn't.
JAY: Yet there they are, applauding.
WILKERSON: It's another one of these things where we make these mental leaps that are tortured. We stand up against UN Security Council resolutions, for example, 184 to 2 or 184 to 3 or whatever, that we shouldn't be standing up against. We never reprimand Israel. And that's a recipe for Israel being the spoiled child that Israel has become under Netanyahu and Lieberman and others like them, a spoiled child who can get away with anything, including, for example, the heinous way they responded to the Gaza flotilla a few months ago, when they essentially lost a key strategic partner because of that, Turkey.
JAY: In terms of the extent of the exuberant enthusiasm, when you have him saying Jews have a 4,000-year connection with this land and there are some Palestinians that happen to share it with us--I'm throwing in the word happen, but that's sort of the inference.
WILKERSON: I think there's another aspect of it, too, the irrationality of his statements about the '67 borders, for example, being indefensible. Well, they're indefensible because of the settlements. They're not indefensible per se; they're indefensible because of all the settlements and because the IDF can't possibly defend those people from those borders. So the irrational nature of his remarks, too, is incredible. But even more incredible than that is the American people and particularly the national security elite's buying of these arguments, when most of them know they're not valid arguments or know that they're being made for other reasons than the reasons Netanyahu professes. He's not interested in an agreement. He's not interested in a peace settlement. He's interested in the territory. He's interested in something Henry IV was interested in, something that most modern powers say is passe now: he's interested in land grabs. And they are involved in one of the biggest land grabs in the region. And that's it, plain and simple. This administration of Netanyahu does not want peace.
JAY: So one of the things that occurs to me about why they're standing with such, you know, emotion and they're practically having a competition between Democrats and Republicans who applauds the loudest is they know every moment's going to be analyzed. It's all on television. If anyone sits, never mind doesn't applaud, but imagine sitting with everyone else is applauding, you know, you're an anti-Semite. And this idea that they're being accused of not being enthusiastic about Israel is that you're going to be targeted, that must play a big role in this.
WILKERSON: I'm sure it does. You know, as you were describing that, what you remind me of is the vivid scenes in 1933, '34, and '35, in Berlin in particular, but all across Germany, when SA stormtroopers would march through the streets, and even an American on the street, when many of these incidents happened, two or three a month, would not render the zieg heil!, the salute, and would turn their backs on the SA troopers and look in a shopping window or whatever, immediately in SA trooper would break out from the formation and confront them and ask them why they weren't rendering the salute, and oftentimes bludgeoned them on the spot. Our ambassador in Berlin had to go to the Foreign Ministry of Germany all the time and ask them to apologize, ask them to do something in the way of reparations, and so forth. This is the kind of attitude that you just described.
JAY: You now remind me of this Mark Twain story about the burning of witches and people from the village all around watching the witch being burnt, and they're all saying, "Burn her, burn her," and Twain writes, they all know she's not a witch. But if you're not shouting "burn her", you're--.
WILKERSON: They might burn you the next.
JAY: You'll be next.
WILKERSON: That's it. That's some of it. It's a strange phenomenon in some ways, but then again, history is replete with examples of it.
JAY: Thanks for joining us.
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