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June 10, 2008 at 01:29:50

Headlined on 6/10/08:
Bush Didn't Lie? If Only It Weren't That Simple.

by Jeremy R. Hammond     Page 2 of 2 page(s)

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One might be tempted, then, to blame the CIA, to propagate the myth of "intelligence failure". But this would be fallacious for two reasons. One, statements by members of the Bush administration shouldn't be compared to other opinions, even if they come from the CIA, but to the available evidence. And the fact is that there was no credible evidence to support their statements in Iraq's WMD. At best, then, administration claims matched poor CIA judgments for which there was no credible supporting evidence.

Two, administration statements went beyond parroting poor, unsubstantiated judgments from the CIA. And it went beyond not merely noting "disagreements" within the intelligence community. Take the aluminum tubes, which the administration stated as fact were for use in a nuclear weapons program. As already noted, the nation's top experts on centrifuges had arrived at a different conclusion, and said so in numerous intelligence reports. The State Department agreed with the DOE assessment, which was the same conclusion on the tubes arrived at by the experts at the IAEA. The 2002 NIE noted the fact that the best experts to make a reasonable judgment on the tubes disagreed ("dissented") with the CIA's poor judgment. And yet the administration still stated as fact that which was contradicted by the best intelligence and the most credible estimates available.

Repeating this experiment with statements on chemical and biological weapons produces the same results, but it's superfluous to continue. Given above are clear, solid examples of statements from President Bush which were not supported by any credible evidence.

The SSCI "Phase II" report's conclusions thus contradict its own findings. After all, the report's mandate, as reflected in its title, wasn't to investigate whether administration statements were supported by intelligence community "estimates," but whether their statements "Were Substantiated by Intelligence Information" itself (emphasis added). And in this regard, their statements were, to borrow the report's own caveat, "generally" unsubstantiated. In fact, they were near totally unsubstantiated within this, the proper framework.

The definition of the verb to "lie," according to Webster's dictionary, is "making untrue statements with intent to deceive" or "creating a false or misleading impression." That Bush and others in his administration lied isn't an "article of faith," but a demonstrable fact.

And by the same standard, neither the members of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence nor Fred Hiatt are being too honest, either.

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Fred Hiatt, "'Bush Lied'? If Only It Were That Simple." The Washington Post, June 9, 2008; A17

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/06/08/AR2008060801687.html?wpisrc=newsletter&wpisrc=newsletter

Report on Whether Public Statements Regarding Iraq by U.S. Government Officials Were Substantiated by Intelligence Information", Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, June 2008

http://intelligence.senate.gov/080605/phase2a.pdf

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I live on an island off the coast of Maine. Political junkie of liberal persuasion.
I have long been a registered Independent and now am a member of the Maine Green Independent Party.

Widower, grandfather of two, retired.

Jack HarringtonI live on an island off the coast of Maine. Political junkie of liberal persuasion.
I have long been a registered Independent and now am a member of the Maine Green Independent Party.

Widower, grandfather of two, retired.

Back in the '60's

we had a  term that covered all sorts of connivance, coverup, malfeasance etc. we encountered.

 We simply referred to the organ, agency, politician, media entity, whatever, as part of the establishment.

Simple. Obviously. the paper is now part of the establishment, instead of a leader in the fourth estate.

Time for change (and not necessarily the change the Democratic candidate is pushing for, change with no parameters, no goals, no policy on the horizon.)

by Jack Harrington (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 396 comments) on Tuesday, June 10, 2008 at 11:44:47 AM
 


I am a retired educator (principal of an urban junior high school in Michigan). I am a proud liberal who is passionate about preserving our civil liberties.
dglowI am a retired educator (principal of an urban junior high school in Michigan). I am a proud liberal who is passionate about preserving our civil liberties.

Bush's treasonous lies

Read Vincent Bugliosi's book. "The Prosecution of G.W. Bush for Murder."  Bugliosi recites the many lies that hoodlum Bush and his henchmen told to excuse his invasion and occupation of a sovereign nation.  He explains why these punks should be tried for murdering over 4,000 young American soldiers and over a million Iraqi civilians.  It's a gripping read thsat cries out for accountability.

 

by dglow (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 6 comments) on Tuesday, June 10, 2008 at 12:39:33 PM
 


Stanimal is ???

I hear cries for freedom elsewhere, while the US becomes less so. I hear support for free markets, then demanding a bailout due to incompetence.
I roll my eyes at those that accuse others being oppressed while the US has and still continues to the same and much worse. Laughing at pinheads who purchase and profit from those they curse.

Every time I return to visit I see a country I no longer recognize. A shredded Constitution, a spineless Congress ...

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StanimalStanimal is ???

I hear cries for freedom elsewhere, while the US becomes less so. I hear support for free markets, then demanding a bailout due to incompetence.
I roll my eyes at those that accuse others being oppressed while the US has and still continues to the same and much worse. Laughing at pinheads who purchase and profit from those they curse.

Every time I return to visit I see a country I no longer recognize. A shredded Constitution, a spineless Congress ...

to see more of bio, click on member name

Have these "Investigator's"

not heard of the Downing Street memo? Or know of UN investigator Hans Blix and his futile attempts in locating WMD's within Iraq before the mis-guided illegal foreign policy blunder that the "War Of Terror" has wrought?

Will Buckshot Dick ever have to make his Energy Policy meeting public? Providing details that fomented the idea to usurp two sovereign nations governments that had nothing to do with or harbored the accused mastermind that was a CIA supported through Al-CIAda operative Osma Bin Forgotten... er Laden?

On a different note in regards to your ESL-teaching. Are Taiwanese students as apathetic-sleeping/text messaging-non motivated as their mainland counterparts, where I have been ESL- baby sitter of university students the past 4.5 years?

by Stanimal (0 articles, 4 quicklinks, 23 diaries, 667 comments) on Tuesday, June 10, 2008 at 2:54:53 PM
 


Jeremy R. Hammond is the owner, editor, and principle writer for Foreign Policy Journal, a website dedicated to providing news, critical analysis, and commentary on U.S. foreign policy, particularly with regard to the "war on terrorism" and events in the Middle East, from outside of the standard framework offered by government officials and the mainstream corporate media. He has also written for numerous other online publications.
Jeremy R. HammondJeremy R. Hammond is the owner, editor, and principle writer for Foreign Policy Journal, a website dedicated to providing news, critical analysis, and commentary on U.S. foreign policy, particularly with regard to the "war on terrorism" and events in the Middle East, from outside of the standard framework offered by government officials and the mainstream corporate media. He has also written for numerous other online publications.

ESL

Most are unmotivated, yes. But I can understand that. Most don't want to be there. When I was a kid, school was out at 3:00. These kids get out of public school then go to cram schools sometimes until 8 or 9. You get an occassional rare student who seems motivated and really wants to learn.

Another thing is that kids don't learn how to think for themselves in the public school system. I haven't worked in the public system, but it's obvious from working with them that they just aren't getting that kind of education. It's rote memorization and repitition and math and stuff, but they don't have much ability with critical thinking skills and logic. They're mostly bright kids, but their brains just haven't been developed in certain areas.

by Jeremy R. Hammond (35 articles, 0 quicklinks, 12 diaries, 85 comments) on Tuesday, June 10, 2008 at 9:29:58 PM
 


I find it hard to believe that the public feels led astray by President Bush for leading us into a war blindsided. Where were you when Bush went to the United Nations for help in finding out if Iraq had WMD's. How many chances did we give Saddam to come clean only to hear over and over again "I need more time, No you can't enter Iraq" How many chances did we give him? If it was up to the Democratic party would we still be waiting?
Where were you when President Bush said enough... w...

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don bybeeI find it hard to believe that the public feels led astray by President Bush for leading us into a war blindsided. Where were you when Bush went to the United Nations for help in finding out if Iraq had WMD's. How many chances did we give Saddam to come clean only to hear over and over again "I need more time, No you can't enter Iraq" How many chances did we give him? If it was up to the Democratic party would we still be waiting?
Where were you when President Bush said enough... w...

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WMD's

Excuse me, but was I the only one watching  TV  when the American Troops were going into Iraq, getting ready to over take Baghdad,   I heard Saddam tell America .. "If you attact  Iraq, I will destroy you with our weapons of mass distruction"- I woudl think we would be more upset that we put Nancy Pelosi in Congress to go with the New America  only to find out  China and Cuba can drill for oil 60 miles off the coast of Florida, but WE can't ... President Carter got the ball rolling, only to be defeated by President Clinton in 1995.  Are we that  set against bringing the prices down by supplying more oil ?  Bush lies............  the American Government as a whole has lied ........

by don bybee (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 206 comments) on Tuesday, June 10, 2008 at 4:50:01 PM
 

 

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