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August 27, 2006 at 07:22:09

Rob Kall: Traitors and Heroes/Traitors as Heroes

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This is the beginning of a series of articles and conversations about traitors-- to the US, the constitution, humanity, freedom, democracy... You're invited to join the conversation, with comments, or articles of your own.


It makes sense... If you're going to betray your country, your people, you might try to lie and say you are actually doing the reverse, being a patriot, helping the country.



If you want to do something bad for your team, you don't sell it by saying you're going to do something bad, you say you're going to do something good, that it will help make the team stronger, better, safer, that it will help the team win. And, if you have enough resources and power, you use the media to sell your lies, that you are helping the team, or the country.

So we have these traitors who have sold their bill of goods to America-- that they are helping Americans, helping our economy, helping us to be stronger, better, safer, wealthier, when really.... really, they are just plain old fashioned traitors committing treason-- to our nation, our democracy, our freedoms, the great majority of people who make up the middle class....

But in that "same old" mold there is a new twist. Whereas, in the past, people became traitors, performing treason, while betraying their country for another nation, nowadays, it is just as likely that traitors will betray their country for sponsor corporations or extremist religious organizations. And often, there is an overlap, where one group of traitors uses the other-- a theocorporate partnership of beneficiaries who share the "gifts" of the traitors.


What is a traitor? Here are some more traditional definitions.

The American Heritage Dictionary defines traitor as:
One who betrays one's country, a cause, or a trust, especially one who commits treason. The etymology or word origin comes from tradere, to betray.
The 1913 Webster's dictionary defines it as:
One who violates his allegiance and betrays his country; one guilty of treason; one who, in breach of trust, delivers his country to an enemy, or yields up any fort or place intrusted to his defense, or surrenders an army or body of troops to the enemy, unless when vanquished; also, one who takes arms and levies war against his country; or one who aids an enemy in conquering his country. See Treason.
Dictionary by LaborLawTalk has an excellent page on law and traitors cites webster's dictionary
The English Statute of Treasons (1350) distinguished high treason from petty treason. Petty treason was the murder of one's lawful superior, such as when a wife killed her husband, or a servant his master. High treason covered acts that constituted a serious threat to the stability or continuity of the state, including attempts to kill the king, to counterfeit coins or to wage war against the kingdom.
When you talk about traitors, the word treason has to come up. Here's Webster Dictionary's take on it
In law, treason is the crime of disloyalty to one's nation. A person who reneges on an oath of loyalty or a pledge of allegiance, and in some way willfully cooperates with an enemy, is considered to be a traitor. Oran's Dictionary of the Law (1983) defines treason as: "...[a]...citizen's actions to help a foreign government overthrow, make war against, or seriously injure the [parent nation]
Wikipedia describes , another key word, in exploring this realm, as
Betrayal, as a form of deception or dismissal of prior presumptions, is the breaking or violation of a presumptive social contract (trust, or confidence) that produces moral and psychological conflict within a relationship amongs individuals, between organizations or between individuals and organizations. Often betrayal is the act of supporting a rival group, or, it is a complete break from previously decided upon or presumed norms by one party from the others.
From these definitions, it is not a great leap to suggest that the treasons and betrayals which traitors engage in have evolved, along with the computer, sattellites, the media, the internet to something beyond simple betrayal of one country for another. There are now all kinds of treacherous treasons. The victims are no longer only nations. The betrayers are no longer just spies. They are CEOs, ministers, legislators, talk show hosts, authors, to name a few. They work for organizations, corporations, media that are bought and paid for by traitors and by the enemies I speak of. They profess patriotism while supporting the people and entities hard at working destroying the USA and all the values of freedom, democracy and rights that the USA stands for. The great mass of US citizens are members of the middle class, and the right wing has declared war on the middle class. The people who are supporting this battle are also traitors, fighting to destroy the heart and soul of America.

But it is not enough to talk about the problems-- the traitors-- the evil antagonists who are doing all they can to destroy America. We have to talk about heroes, about healing America, rescuing it from the assault the US is currently experiencing.

We need to discuss the remedies that will expose the traitors, people, corporations, organizations and groups, put them in their proper places and right the wrongs and damage they've already done, setting the US back on a healthy course.

We need heroes to fight the good fight, leaders and advisors who are visionaries, courageous enough to stand up to the firestorm of ugly abuse they will surely receive from the traitors in the media. We already have some. We need more and we need to do more to support and fully empower those we have, for example, among elected legislators, like Conyers, Kucinich, Waxman, Feingold and Dean. We can expect any strong leaders, fighting the traitors to be villifed, abused, framed as extremist, laughable, foolish, angry, crazy... and anyone we see treated that way, we should pay attention to. These are the leaders who the traitors are afraid of. And the people supposedly on our side, who we see the traitor media constantly supporting, telling all they are our most promising leaders-- we should suspect them, unless they stridently support our most prized issues and values and strongly attack the mainstream media's lies and distortions.

So... here are some questions for you, for the conversation:
-Who are some of the traitors? Name names and why they deserve to be called traitors. Here's my list of some categories of "betrayers:" elected leader, politician, diplomat,minister, media member, corporation, citizen, soldier, spy, representative, employee, consultant, fanatic, proselyte, believer, relative.

-Why do traitors betray? What do they betray for? Give some specific examples. Here's my beginning of a list of reasons traitors betray: nation, corporation, religion, family, money, power, sex, ideology, ransom, revenge, promises, threats, hate/racism, causes, groups, ideals, beliefs

-Who and what is betrayed? My list includes: nation, government entity (city, state, organization) humanity, middle class, rights, freedoms, environment, causes, groups, ideals, beliefs, story/narrative

-Who are the victims, the dupes, the suckers, the "cuckolds," the fools who are being used and abused, who actually support the traitors through misguided loyalty, patriotism, faith, etc.

-Who are the heroes, the people fighting back against the traitors?

-What are the remedies we can use to fight back, to right the wrongs, to reverse the damage?

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Rob Kall is executive editor and publisher of OpEdNews.com, President of Futurehealth, Inc, inventor . He is also published regularly on the Huffingtonpost.com. He is a frequent Speaker on Politics, Impeachment, The art, science and power of story, heroes and the hero's journey, Positive Psychology, Stress, Biofeedback and a wide range of subjects. He is a campaign consultant specializing in tapping the power of stories for issue positioning, stump speeches and debates. He recently retired as organizer of several conferences, including StoryCon, the Summit Meeting on the Art, Science and Application of Story and The Winter Brain Meeting on neurofeedback, biofeedback, Optimal Functioning and Positive Psychology. See more of his articles here and, older ones, here.

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Mark SashineA writer is a rogue goose. All other gees fly in a flock formation; every goose knows his place and time for honking. The rogue goose is undisciplined. He leaves the formation indiscriminately to have a look at it from aside. He roams back and forth, takes a peep at the leader, honks a little bit from behind, distracts everyone and writes on what he sees. Time passes and as he wants to return back to his place he discovers someone else there. Thus he either has to wait until they land for rest...

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I would like to post here my diary entry from May 7, 2005

They Hate This Country

In 'The Gulag Archipelago' Alexander Solzhenitsyn describes one of the builders of the oppressive Empire, a certain Naftaly Frenkel. That person came to Russia after the revolution from Turkey. Through a series of shadowy activities he eventually became a confidant of the Secret Police, member of the Inner Circle and even talked to Stalin several times. He used his ingenious mind to serve a system in its inhuman efficiency. He was the one that used hunger, torture and death to engage the armies of slaves in building those Pyramids of the XXth Century; those enormous channels and gigantic plants, those dams and prisons. He became a general and died peacefully in his own bed. The last phrase in the description of this Stalin's monster is , 'I think he hated this country ( Russia- MS)'.


It is a dramatic discovery. There could be people who hate a certain country. Such individuals will do harm to it just to do harm. They might not even feel that they do harm. They might feel that they serve a purpose, a group, an ideology even. They might think they were just doing their job. But they do harm to the very soul of the country, to its land, its nature, its people. Such individuals are evil. They are destructionists.

A law professional had drafted, designed and polished the Patriot Act, that XXIst-Century mirror of the Stalin's decrees of the 1930s. That person tried hard to please his bosses. That was his job –to please his bosses. At least that was how he understood that. And he unleashed the evil into the world blindly the same way hundreds of the Gestapo low- level officers did that. He disgraced himself and his profession. I think he hates this country.

An ultraconservative activist goes around the country and campaigns to close the US border. He is appalled at those Mexicans coming illegally. He urges the government to build a wall in the desert. That wall will first and foremost cut us off from the world. But he doesn't care in his puny rage. He is nuts. I think he hates this country.

A professional talker goes on TV and radio every day and spills venom on the people he /she never met. He/ she calls those people dirty names and openly wants them dead. Those are our fellow-citizens, but he/she does not care. He/ she raises a ruckus about other people wanting to be as happy as all of us in marriage. I think he /she hates this country.

A politician lies and provokes wars. Those wars are illegal, criminal and dangerous. We kill lots of innocent people and create deadly enemies throughout the world but that politician does not give a damn. I think he hates this country.

A televangelist monopolizes God. He claims in a sacrilegious fervor that he and only he can speak to God. He dares to state that God is only here. He makes us an enemy of the Humanity. I think he hates this country.

A political technologist earns money on death. He comes out on TV and wants more death. He wants draft. He wants wars. He wants our people to die. And then he openly comes out with money in his pockets and is hailed as a visionary. I think he hates this country.

A columnist openly discloses the name of the CIA operative thus endangering her life and other people as well. Not only is he not punished, but he gloats on that, comes openly out, defies people and gets even more money for it. I think he hates this country.

A group of dishonest and crooked individuals try to take advantage of the political situation and our unstable leadership for their own profit. They talk nonsense to the government, cook the books and instigate paranoia. They constantly promote fear and talk about the 'war of civilizations' . They use the country's resources for their own personal benefit and openly abuse the people of the country. They are marauders.
I think they hate this country.

No names are needed. We all know who those people are. We see them every day. They don't hide. I love this country. They hate it. Choose your side.

Mark Sashine, a.k. a. Panurg

by Mark Sashine (50 articles, 19 quicklinks, 244 diaries, 3452 comments) on Sunday, August 27, 2006 at 8:32:02 AM
 


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Paul Sheldon FooteProfessor, California State University, FullertonAfter marriage to an Iranian lady in Tehran, Iran in 1968, I returned to Tehran in the summer of 1970 to work at the American Embassy. After earning an MBA from Harvard Business School, I remained at Harvard University for another year to study the Persian (Farsi) language. In the early 1970's, Singer Sewing Machine Company sent me on assignments in the Middle East and North Africa, including assignments in Tehran, Iran.From 1994 to 1996, I ...

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The Worst Traitors in American History

As children, we learned in our American History books that Benedict Arnold was a traitor. While Benedict Arnold was wounded fighting on the American side in the American Revolution, he became known as a traitor for helping the British to win the war.

It is time for one or more persons to write books about the worst traitors in American history. Traitors USA specializes in providing thousands of postings to aid anyone who wants to write or to speak about these traitors.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/traitorsusa/

The posted description of Traitors USA includes the names of some of the worst traitors in American history:

___________________________________________________________
On January 15, 2003, a full-page advertisement appeared in the New York Times (page A19): 150 Members of U.S. Congress Declare Support for the People's Mojahedin (PMOI), Call for an End to Iran's Terrorist Regime. This advertisement contained the names of only 6 of the signers of the Iran Statement: Democrats Bob Filner (California), Sheila Jackson-Lee (Texas), Edolphus Towns (New York); Republicans Lincoln Diaz-Balart (Florida), Ileana Ros-Lehtinen (Florida), Tom Tancredo (Colorado). Shortly after this advertisement appeared, American soldiers went to war in Iraq and killed some of these Saddam Hussein-supported Marxist terrorists (as classified by the State Departments of Presidents Bill Clinton and of George W. Bush) in Camp Ashraf, Iraq. In June 2003, the French police arrested the leader (Maryam Rajavi) and many supporters. Some members of this communist cult responded by burning themselves to death. Known also as: MEK, MKO, Rajavi Cult, Pol Pot of Iran. The Fox News Channel has retained as an analyst Alireza Jafarzadeh, who operated for many years from the National Press Building as a spokesperson for this group's press office, the National Council of Resistance of Iran (NCRI). Former Attorney General John Ashcroft, an MEK supporter while Senator, raided Jafarzadeh's home to take boxes of documents. According to the State Department, the MEK murdered American military officers and Rockwell International employees. Anti-war critics are correct in criticizing chicken hawks, neoconservatives (neo-Trotskyites), and other traitors who support the MEK. In July 2004, the American government recognized each terrorist as a protected person under the Fourth Geneva Convention and required the American military to protect America's enemies. USA political asylum next?
___________________________________________________________

There are hundreds of current members of Congress, Democrats and Republicans, who are the worst traitors in American history.

We need to vote out of office all of the traitors, regardless of the political labels these traitors use.

Professor Paul Sheldon Foote

California State University, Fullerton

pfoote@fullerton.edu

by Paul Sheldon Foote (8 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 42 comments) on Sunday, August 27, 2006 at 10:10:43 AM
 


WWII veteran,cofounder of The American Veterans Committee. Editor of the dairy page for the California Farm Reporter. Organizer for Harry Bridges longshoremen. President Eagle Lodge number one, AFL Papermakers Union. Member of Impeach Bush.
grampsWWII veteran,cofounder of The American Veterans Committee. Editor of the dairy page for the California Farm Reporter. Organizer for Harry Bridges longshoremen. President Eagle Lodge number one, AFL Papermakers Union. Member of Impeach Bush.

Treason

Ethics belong strictly to human beings. They exist even in penitentiaries where the inmates hate a rat or a stool pidgeon. The corporation business form has no conscience. Those who make decisions for corporations are constrained to the infamous bottom-line. Decision making is by "cost benefit analysis". That is if a pill causes heart attacks or an automobile catches fire and burns a whole family those employed by the corporation only have two choices. One is to pay the fines and lawsuits and the other is to recall the product. That is the cost and the bottom line is the benefit.

In a world dominated by corporations there is no room for human ethics or a conscience. That means that Patriotism is to be taken with a grain of salt. Since corporations employ many more people than those that run the business and have Presidents and congresscritters on their payroll; patriotism has become only a method of keeping the idiots in line. One who in the early days would have been hung for treason is now making government policy and any hero who objects is considered a traitor. The world is upside down.

America has never been attacked by a foreign government since World War Two but for sixty years we have been in one war or another. Since Harry Truman violated his oath of office with the undeclared Korean war and justified it as a "police action" congress has never declared war. Article 4 section 8 of the Constitution gives Congress the right to declare war but it does not give it the right to empower a president to wage undeclared war.

If a violator of the Constitution can be consedered a traitor then we have been governed by traitors since 1946.

by gramps (4 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 107 comments) on Sunday, August 27, 2006 at 10:18:26 AM
 


Eileen is the Reporter and Editor of wearewideawake.orgProducer of "30 Minutes with Vanunu" and "13 Minutes with Vanunu" Author of "Keep Hope Alive" and "Memoirs of a Nice Irish American 'Girl's' Life in Occupied Territory" She has been to Israel Palestine five times since June 2005.
She is currently working on "The Boom Boom Benny Story"

Eileen FlemingEileen is the Reporter and Editor of wearewideawake.orgProducer of "30 Minutes with Vanunu" and "13 Minutes with Vanunu" Author of "Keep Hope Alive" and "Memoirs of a Nice Irish American 'Girl's' Life in Occupied Territory" She has been to Israel Palestine five times since June 2005.
She is currently working on "The Boom Boom Benny Story"

the greatest threat today to USA democracy

Are the politically motivated 'Christian' Zionist's/CZ's, who are NO friend to Israel or the Jewish people.

The CZ's seek theocracy NOT democracy
and they have betrayed JC, who explicity said:
"The PEACEMAKER's are the children of God."


Christ was VERY clear, and the CZ's take obscure and disparate passages literally, but they do NOT take JC literally, and he said:

YOU must love your enemy, you must forgive to be forgiven, and do NOT judge the nonbeliever!

"Love is not the starving of whole populations. Love is not the bombardment of open cities. Love is not killing, it is the laying down of one's life for one's friends. Our manifesto is the Sermon on the Mount, which means that we will try to be peacemakers." -Dorothy Day

The Christian Zionist's believe in a very small, punitive god and their theology is based in fear, but JC said:

FEAR NOT!
and "You shall know the truth and the truth will set you free."- John 8:32

The CZ's on the other hand, refuse to see the truth that the oppressed have become the oppressors in the Holy Land,
and that the book of Revelation is a critique on empire.

Not only do the CZ's betray The Prince of Peace, they are dangerous to America, for they seek Armageddon, and destruction and violence are NOT what JC was about at all!
JC was about RECONCILIATION and Unity!


More on that topic:
Tuesday, August 22, 2006
The Spirit of the Antichrist
click here





Wednesday, August 16, 2006
The Cult of the Antichrist
click here


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http://www.wearewideawake.org

by Eileen Fleming (146 articles, 51 quicklinks, 266 diaries, 579 comments) on Sunday, August 27, 2006 at 10:37:53 AM
 


Joel S. Hirschhorn is the author of Delusional Democracy - Fixing the Republic Without Overthrowing the Government (www.delusionaldemocracy.com). His current political writings have been greatly influenced by working as a senior staffer for the U.S. Congress and for the National Governors Association. He advocates a Second American Revolution, beginning with an Article V Convention to propose constitutional amendments. He is Chair of the Independent Party of Maryland.
Joel S. HirschhornJoel S. Hirschhorn is the author of Delusional Democracy - Fixing the Republic Without Overthrowing the Government (www.delusionaldemocracy.com). His current political writings have been greatly influenced by working as a senior staffer for the U.S. Congress and for the National Governors Association. He advocates a Second American Revolution, beginning with an Article V Convention to propose constitutional amendments. He is Chair of the Independent Party of Maryland.

Economic Traitors

It's the economy! fellow patriots. All the millions who benefit from growing economic inequality are traitors to American democracy and the ideals of our nation. Economic inequality is one of the simplest, easiest understood concepts by which true patriots should fight the status quo elitist political-economic establishment. Face facts, in our country money is paramount. Economic inequality is devastating working- and middle-class Americans, most of whom are politically disconnected and disengaged (not reading sites likes this) because they are victims of the elitist politico-economy - distracted consumers and exhausted workers. Who are the real traitors? All those pushing and benefitting from economic inequality. We ARE in a WAR - not fighting terrorism but fighting the Upper Class elitists who know how to label their enemies (us) as traitors.

by Joel S. Hirschhorn (126 articles, 31 quicklinks, 58 diaries, 508 comments) on Sunday, August 27, 2006 at 10:57:28 AM
 


Registered voter in West Chester, Ohio
sbakerRegistered voter in West Chester, Ohio

99% serfs???

As of this writing the US had a population of 299,590,546. If, as you say, 1% are the haves that would put their numbers at 2,995,904. I am definitely not in the top 1% percent, yet I have a comfortable life. I don't feel like a "serf" as you call me. I am free to leave my land whenever I like. If you want to call me a serf, go ahead, I have a good life, I don't care. And I certainly have enough sense to realize I don't need to battle the top 1%. All is GOOD.

by sbaker (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 127 comments) on Monday, August 28, 2006 at 4:57:09 PM
 


Registered voter in West Chester, Ohio
sbakerRegistered voter in West Chester, Ohio

I'm sorry

...and I'm sorry your life is so bad. Maybe you should quit playing on the computer so much and go find a job or receive an education or the training necessary to qualify for a job so you have a better life. That is what most do.

by sbaker (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 127 comments) on Monday, August 28, 2006 at 5:00:35 PM
 


Union Construction Electrician for the past 21 years. Former United States Marine 1982 - 1986 who participated in the Multinational Peacekeeping Force sent to Beirut, Lebanon back in 1983.
SleeperUnion Construction Electrician for the past 21 years. Former United States Marine 1982 - 1986 who participated in the Multinational Peacekeeping Force sent to Beirut, Lebanon back in 1983.

treacherous mix

Our problem is that 80% of our government is made up of neo-cons and democrats that don't care about the Constitution only that they keep their place in the power structure. The other 20% is Progressives and Conservatives who should be running this country. Corporate money owns this treacherous mix of neo-cons and democrats and thereby runs all of our policy.

What we need to do is get Corporate money out of our politics. Corporations are entities but they are souless entities and therefore should have only the input to our politics of the people they employ with the limits applied to the people. They have bought off both sides to the extent that those who take their money to influence policy are in direct opposition or at least indifference to "We The People".

by Sleeper (1 articles, 1 quicklinks, 6 diaries, 276 comments) on Sunday, August 27, 2006 at 12:18:55 PM
 


Union Construction Electrician for the past 21 years. Former United States Marine 1982 - 1986 who participated in the Multinational Peacekeeping Force sent to Beirut, Lebanon back in 1983.
SleeperUnion Construction Electrician for the past 21 years. Former United States Marine 1982 - 1986 who participated in the Multinational Peacekeeping Force sent to Beirut, Lebanon back in 1983.

pay to play tango

Here is an article that shows some examples of pay to play tango:

Lobbyists and lawmakers step lively in pay-to-play tango
By Marilou Johanek, Toldeo Blade

August 11, 2006

click here

by Sleeper (1 articles, 1 quicklinks, 6 diaries, 276 comments) on Sunday, August 27, 2006 at 12:33:14 PM
 


My name it means nothing, my age it means less. My deeds of activism are mine to enjoy and share as I feel necesary, not as some clown in a small forum's administration thinks I must..This place gets worse each and every visit.
Member banned on June 3, 2008 for repeated abuse of editors.

ardee D.My name it means nothing, my age it means less. My deeds of activism are mine to enjoy and share as I feel necesary, not as some clown in a small forum's administration thinks I must..This place gets worse each and every visit.
Member banned on June 3, 2008 for repeated abuse of editors.

What is treasonous?

Do you suggest that every morning Dick Cheney gets out of bed and decides how he will betray his nation today? Do you think that George Walker Bush knows, in his very soul, that his actions, his appointments, his signing statements all weakened the fibre of this democracy? More to the point is the fact that, by failing to participate, by refusing to even consider the issues before us, the American electorate is traitorous to the concept of Democracy, which needs an active participation to flourish.

I would take great care in whom one called a traitor, unless we include ourselves on that list.

by ardee D. (6 articles, 4 quicklinks, 1 diaries, 2377 comments) on Sunday, August 27, 2006 at 12:24:56 PM
 


Rob Kall is executive editor and publisher of OpEdNews.com, President of Futurehealth, Inc, inventor . He is also published regularly on the Huffingtonpost.com. He is a frequent Speaker on Politics, Impeachment, The art, science and power of story, heroes and the hero's journey, Positive Psychology, Stress, Biofeedback and a wide range of subjects. He is a campaign consultant specializing in tapping the power of stories for issue positioning, stump speeches and debates. He recently retired as o...

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Rob KallRob Kall is executive editor and publisher of OpEdNews.com, President of Futurehealth, Inc, inventor . He is also published regularly on the Huffingtonpost.com. He is a frequent Speaker on Politics, Impeachment, The art, science and power of story, heroes and the hero's journey, Positive Psychology, Stress, Biofeedback and a wide range of subjects. He is a campaign consultant specializing in tapping the power of stories for issue positioning, stump speeches and debates. He recently retired as o...

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On Cheney... Maybe

Where do you draw the line? How far does a person go in changing the rules, changing the marrow of a nation, before he can be considered a traitor to the nation, it's founders' vision, it's legacy, it's laws, constitution?

Cheney crossed that line. He deserves impeachment and imprisonment.

by Rob Kall (807 articles, 3920 quicklinks, 332 diaries, 1702 comments) on Sunday, August 27, 2006 at 12:47:30 PM
 


My name it means nothing, my age it means less. My deeds of activism are mine to enjoy and share as I feel necesary, not as some clown in a small forum's administration thinks I must..This place gets worse each and every visit.
Member banned on June 3, 2008 for repeated abuse of editors.

ardee D.My name it means nothing, my age it means less. My deeds of activism are mine to enjoy and share as I feel necesary, not as some clown in a small forum's administration thinks I must..This place gets worse each and every visit.
Member banned on June 3, 2008 for repeated abuse of editors.

what he deserved

was to be defeated at the polls, before ever he assumed the office of Vice President but certainly, emphatically, after the first four year fiasco!

If one calls Cheney a traitor, and I call him dishonest and self serving, I call him guilty of malfeasance and believe he should be investigated, tried, convicted and sentenced to federal prison for his major role in the energy policy fiasco and the theft of our tax monies to the benefit of Enron, Halliburton and Richard Cheney himself, then where do you draw the line?

Does one call the leadership ofr the Democratic Party traitorous for its abysmal failures in '00, '02 and again in '04? Do you try and convict all those Democrats who followed Bush nose to rectum into Iraq? No , what one does is realise that the Bushs', Cheney's et al are a product of the failures of our electorate to become engaged in the issues and to do their duty at the polls.

My day dream includes a new broom in both the Senate and the House, resulting in investigations that prove the illegal practices and resulting in dozens at the White House and Cheney marched off to jail...but that is nothing more or less than self serving, just as talk of traitors serves no useful purpose, in my opinion.

by ardee D. (6 articles, 4 quicklinks, 1 diaries, 2377 comments) on Monday, August 28, 2006 at 7:13:15 AM
 


Union Construction Electrician for the past 21 years. Former United States Marine 1982 - 1986 who participated in the Multinational Peacekeeping Force sent to Beirut, Lebanon back in 1983.
SleeperUnion Construction Electrician for the past 21 years. Former United States Marine 1982 - 1986 who participated in the Multinational Peacekeeping Force sent to Beirut, Lebanon back in 1983.

treason

Every Morning anyone in our legislative branch decides that he or she is going to support subversion of the protections inherent in the Constitution they are commiting treason. This is the same for any organization, individual, or even our President and Vice President especially when it is done as a policy to commit other crimes (breaking and entering, wiretapping, coersion, fraud, ect.).

There are accepted ways to change the Constitution and none of these can be hiden in unconstitutional laws or practices. Any attempt to do so is itself treacherous.

by Sleeper (1 articles, 1 quicklinks, 6 diaries, 276 comments) on Sunday, August 27, 2006 at 1:18:56 PM
 



dennis garwitz sr.

Real heros are in the grave but self made heros live on

"Why do traitors betray? What do they betray for? Give some specific examples. Here's my beginning of a list of reasons traitors betray: nation, corporation, religion, family, money, power, sex, ideology, ransom, revenge, promises, threats, hate/racism, causes, groups, ideals, beliefs."

To me anyone who is a leader and preaches one thing but does another or someone in a position of leadership who promises one thing but delivers something else is a traitor regardless of political, religious or business affiliation.

As soon as the earliest man began to think beyond his basic needs then he began to learn how to manipulate people to "get what he wanted." He found that it was easier to con people than to out right force them to do things. Force would come later when he had dependent followers. After all very few people were born a King or a Pharaoh. He also found that if he conned his way into a position of power with followers then he not only did not have to work like the rest but he could use the followers to gain new followers. To do this he had to reward his followers with "titles" "power" and "gifts" to get them to do his bidding. After all it has worked for everyone from even before Genghis Khan, to modern day businesses, religions or political parties that believe in the end justifies the means. Ancient Egyptians built pyramids today's businesses, religions and political parties sells pyramids.

To me at least three out of every ten people in modern society make their living off the backs of others through some form of crooked behavior. From the "hood" to the White House.

by dennis garwitz sr. (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 2 comments) on Sunday, August 27, 2006 at 1:48:02 PM
 


I am a 47 years old,married and have a 17 year old daughter.My hobbies are bicyling, weight training and off road motorcycling.I have lived in a midwestern red state my entire 46 years.Now that I have reached middle age I have become interested in politics and its related fields of study.I dont often think of things being either liberal or conservative,I like to veiw political events in an objective manner and find the agenda or reason that a bill or policy is brought to bear.Simply put seeking ...

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Gary DensonI am a 47 years old,married and have a 17 year old daughter.My hobbies are bicyling, weight training and off road motorcycling.I have lived in a midwestern red state my entire 46 years.Now that I have reached middle age I have become interested in politics and its related fields of study.I dont often think of things being either liberal or conservative,I like to veiw political events in an objective manner and find the agenda or reason that a bill or policy is brought to bear.Simply put seeking ...

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Traitors

Brilliant article!one of your best.
My thoughts on the traitors that run our country or hold positions of power is that they strictly serve corporate interests and could care less about the middle class or poor.you will just have to learn how to compete in the global economy they tell us.What this really means is you will have to work harder and longer for less pay,no benefits and no workplace safety regulations.

Americas traitors have declared war on labor by passing trade agreements like NAFTA and CAFTA.These agreements have moved many jobs out of the country and destroyed labor unions.Outsourcing americas good paying jobs is not enough for these traitors they constantly cunsult with multinational corporations on new mehtods of lowering the cost of labor and selling the plan as something that will benefit the middle class or poor. These traitors seek to dramatically lower the cost of labor by outsourcing every job they can to a country like China.For the jobs they cant outsource they seek to allow private corporations to set up an UNLIMITED amount of guest workers to enter the country(Pence Hutchison)and further drive down the cost of labor.

These traitors should be arrested or at least voted out of office.

Gary Denson

by Gary Denson (2 articles, 0 quicklinks, 1 diaries, 215 comments) on Sunday, August 27, 2006 at 4:36:33 PM
 


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Pam LaddsNone

Treason and Traitors

Phil Ochs said it so well 30 years ago. Particularly the last verse. ciao Pam L

Artist/Band: Ochs Phil
Lyrics for Song: Power and the Glory
Lyrics for Album: There But for Fortune
Come and take a walk with me thru this green and growing land
Walk thru the meadows and the mountains and the sand
Walk thru the valleys and the rivers and the plains
Walk thru the sun and walk thru the rain

Here is a land full of power and glory
Beauty that words cannot recall
Oh her power shall rest on the strength of her freedom
Her glory shall rest on us all (on us all)

From Colorado, Kansas, and the Carolinas too
Virginia and Alaska, from the old to the new
Texas and Ohio and the California shore
Tell me, who could ask for more?

Yet she's only as rich as the poorest of her poor
Only as free as the padlocked prison door
Only as strong as our love for this land
Only as tall as we stand

But our land is still troubled by men who have to hate
They twist away our freedom & they twist away our fate
Fear is their weapon and treason is their cry
We can stop them if we try

by Pam Ladds (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 8 comments) on Sunday, August 27, 2006 at 5:19:02 PM
 


Aging bleeding heart liberal who continues to believe in justice and the goodness of some people. I always have hope in a better fairer tomorrow. I do not understand the greed motivation,but I know it is seductive and pervasive.
cluelessflAging bleeding heart liberal who continues to believe in justice and the goodness of some people. I always have hope in a better fairer tomorrow. I do not understand the greed motivation,but I know it is seductive and pervasive.

On Lunatics and Traitors

This gang of traitors respect no man, woman or child.Not even their own.They live in a world of chaos and deception that boggles the rational mind. It is a form of lunacy and a true lunatic hears no voice, but his own.To attempt to destroy nations and peoples is lunacy. So in an effort to justify the shared psychosis they paint the sane as less than human and deny everything that is contray to the laws of the psychoic.
If the people are thristy give them polluted water to drink,if people are hungry give them tainted meat to eat.If the people want to live in peace give them wars on end.Be sure to distract them by making loud noises so they cannot thinkand fear one another. Turn brother against brother and mother against child. Keep them wanting things . Encourage them to demean each other.Teach them to judge one another on appearances.
They are the traitors of the souls of mankind They sold their souls to the highest bidder and want us all to fall in line and make their jobs easier.But they cannot buy a soul or even lease one. Seems every 40 to 50 years enough of them can gather the strenght to take over for a bit,but they will not last .We are busy numbering the days of their demise.

by cluelessfl (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 184 comments) on Sunday, August 27, 2006 at 5:21:54 PM