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March 29, 2008 at 11:27:40

A Lie Called 911: Why A Federal Grand Jury Must Indict Bush and Cheney

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It's time to drive a stake through the heart of an evil beast --Bush's official conspiracy theory of 911. We are expected to believe that 19 Arab hijackers brought down the twin towers and damaged the Pentagon by flying hijacked airliners into them. Proof that the story is a lie is, at the same time, probable cause to indict Dick Cheney, George W. Bush and others in this criminal administration for the crimes of mass murder and treason.

Moreover, there is now evidence that 'flight manifests' were 'revised' --after the fact --to shore up the holes in Bush's official conspiracy theory. The original 'official flight manifests' were released in response to an FOIA request. What is found on pro-government websites may be called "official' but they are not! They are, however, easily proven to be lies.



FBI Director Robert Mueller admitted that the FBI had no evidence to link the 19 'Muslim men' who have apparently disappeared --neither on the autopsy list or the original 'official flight manifests'. In speech to the Common Wealth Club in San Francisco on April 19, 2003, Mueller stated that the purported hijackers 'left no paper trial'. "In our investigation", he said: "we have not uncovered a single piece of paper - either here in the United States or in the treasure trove of information that has turned up in Afghanistan and elsewhere - that mentioned any aspect of the Sept. 11 plot."

In fact, as many as nine 'hijackers' survived 911. Nevertheless, a pro-'official conspiracy' web site has posted what it calls "official manifest images" in which all alledged hijackers are listed in place on the flights in question. The very name of the page is misleading: 'official manifest images". The list provided in fancy graphics is represented as 'official' but it is most certainly not official. The names represented on the graphic do not and have never represented the 'official flight manifests' that were released to Dr. Ted Olmsted as a result of his FOIA request.
Astute observers noticed right away that there were no Arabic sounding names on any of the flight manifests of the planes that "crashed" Sept 11. A list of names on a piece of paper is not evidence, but an autopsy by a pathologist is.

I undertook by FOIA request, to obtain that autopsy list of the people on Flight 77, which hit the Pentagon. You are invited to view it below. Guess what? Still no Arabs on the list. In my opinion, the monsters who planned this crime made a mistake by not including Arabic names on the original list to make the ruse seem more believable.

When airline disasters occur, airlines will routinely provide a manifest list for anxious families. You may have noticed that even before Sep 11th, airlines were pretty meticulous about getting an accurate head count before takeoff. It seems very unlikely to me that FIVE Arabs sneaked onto a flight with weapons.

No Arabs On Flight 77, Thomas R. Olmsted, MD, 6-23-3

Olmsted requested and received what was called an 'official flight manifest'. It differs from what pro-government sites are now calling "official manifest images" in that there were not then nor now Arab names on the list. Rather, the list Olmsted received from the government in response to his FOIA request, matches precisely what had been originally reported and is still reported by CNN. Therefore: the original and official flight manifests did not and do not include the name of a single Arab hijacker.

That bears repeating: the original and official flight manifests did not and do not include the name of a single Arab hijacker.

Here is the 'official list' of Hijacking suspects from the FBI website:
Flight 175: Marwan Al-Shehhi, Fayez Ahmed, Mohald Alshehri, Hamza Alghamdi and Ahmed Alghamdi
Flight 11: Waleed M Alshehri, Wail Alshehri, Mohamed Atta, Abdulaziz Alomari and Satam Al Suqami
Flight 77: Khalid Al-Midhar, Majed Moqed, Nawaq Alhamzi, Salem Alhamzi and Hani Hanjour
Flight 93: Ahmed Alhaznawi, Ahmed Alnami, Ziad Jarrahi and Saeed Alghamdi

Now he is protesting his innocence from Casablanca, Morocco.
Flight 77: Khalid Al-Midhar, Majed Moqed, Nawaq Alhamzi, Salem Alhamzi and Hani Hanjour
Flight 93: Ahmed Alhaznawi, Ahmed Alnami, Ziad Jarrahi and Saeed Alghamdi
[Now he is protesting his innocence from Casablanca, Morocco.]

Alleged hijackers on Flight 77 - Nawaf Al-Hazmi , Khalid Al-Midhar
As an aside, I think it interesting that a hijacking 'suspect' should 'protest his innocence'. If he were guilty, he would be dead, incapable of protest! Being alive, however, is compelling evidence that he is not only innocent, but that Bush's official conspiracy theory is a pack of lies just as were his allegations of WMD in Iraq.

Several mainstream media have reported 'living hijackers'. Pro-government conspiracy theorists cannot explain the fact that numerous 'hijackers', found on the FBI's list of suspects, are still alive and giving interviews. [See: BBC: Hijack 'suspects' alive and well] The BBC story includes quotes from 'dead' hijackers. That would be impossible if you subscribe to the propaganda and mis-information that has been put forward by a marginal, pro-government site called: 911 Myths...reading between the lies. This is the site responsible for a 'fancy graphic' listing 'Arab Suspects' that never showed up on 'official flight manifests' released in response to a formal FOIA request, delivered to Dr. Olmsted [previously cited]. The list, an 'official flight manifest' provided Dr. Olmsted, conforms to the list that was posted and represented as official by CNN. There is not a single Arab name on the list.

CNN has likewise posted a list of suspects based upon an 'official list' of 'hijackers' provided by the FBI. The name Hani Hanjour shows up on the FBI list of suspects, but, inconsistently, he is missing from the real 'official flight manifests' that were released to Dr. Olmsted. Now official conspiracy theorists have faith that Hani Hanjour piloted Flight 77 into the Pentagon where the lives of all on board were lost! Significantly, Hani Hanjour is not listed on the 'official passenger manifest' of Flight 77. The Washington Post reported that he didn't make the flight because he may not have had a ticket. [ See: Washington Post, 9/16/01]

Not only is Hanjour, critical to the government's official conspiracy theory, not on the list of passengers on Flight 77, he is not on the 'official autopsy' list. If he did not get 'autopsied' there is an excellent chance that he still lives.
"A list of names on a piece of paper is not evidence, but an autopsy by a pathologist, is. I undertook by FOIA request, to obtain that autopsy list and you are invited to view it below. Guess what? Still no Arabs on the list. In my opinion the monsters who planned this crime made a mistake by not including Arabic names on the original list to make the ruse seem more believable."

--Thomas R. Olmsted, M.D, Autopsy: No Arabs on Flight 77
The best explanation: Hani Hanjour is still alive. If Hanjour is alive, he could not have piloted Flight 77 into the Pentagon, unless government theorists would like to posit that he bailed out seconds before 'his' 757 crashed into the Pentagon. That's ludicrous, of course, but in every instance the Bush theories are ludicrous, transparent lies.

It is not only Hanjour who throws a monkey wrench into the government's theory. It is every other 'Arab' who is said to have helped the hijack plot but whose names do not show up on the official list of passengers. [False identities mislead FBI]; CNN: Original Flight Manifest, Flight 77; [BBC: Hijack 'suspects' alive and well]

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I am an individual who is interested in exposing the true events of the 9/11 attacks.
CB BrooklynI am an individual who is interested in exposing the true events of the 9/11 attacks.

Pending 9/11 Court Cases

Court Cases in the US District Court,
Southern District of New York,
with Attorney Jerry Leaphart:

** Dr Judy Wood, suing on behalf of the United States of America and demanding a Trial by Jury, has evidence that Directed Energy Weapons were a causal factor in the destruction of the World Trade Center:

http://drjudywood.com/articles/NIST/Qui_Tam_Wood.html

Docket No. 1:07-cv-03314-GBD
Title: Dr. Judy Wood ex rel. USA vs. Applied Research Associates, Inc. et al.
Judge: George B. Daniels


** Dr Morgan Reynolds, suing on behalf of the United States of America and demanding a Trial by Jury, has evidence that the Media broadcasted cartoons of an airplane hitting the South Tower:

http://nomoregames.net/index.php?page=911&subpage1=federal_case

Docket No. 1:07-cv-04612-GBD
Title: Dr. Morgan Reynolds ex rel. USA vs. Science Applications International Corp. et al.
Judge: George B. Daniels

PRESS RELEASE: 9/11 Qui Tam Jurisdictional Challenges Filed - 2/29/08 - Two Qui Tam cases - U.S. District Court, SDNY -- 9/11 related - One alleges Twin Towers destroyed by Directed Energy Weapons - Other alleges No Planes hit the towers - Directed energy weapons toxic effects continue at Ground Zero:

http://www.opednews.com/articles/genera_rugbyzhg_080307_9_2f11_qui_tam_jurisdi.htm

PRESS RELEASE: Scientists See WTC - Hutchison Effect Parallel - On a Washington DC local radio station, WPFW, Scientists discuss true nature of destruction of WTC Complex on 9/11 and conclude it was related to a known effect:

http://www.prlog.org/10048184-scientists-see-wtc-hutchison-effect-parallel.html

The 9/11 attacks, the 9/11 cover up, and the 9/11 "truth movement" were orchestrated by people associated with directed energy weapons and the media:

9/11 Directed Energy Weapon / TV-Fakery Suppression Timeline

Debunking the 9/11 *Anti-No-Plane-Theory* Myths

 

by CB Brooklyn (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 403 comments) on Saturday, March 29, 2008 at 8:42:27 PM
 


Mail carrier who drives the rest of my colleagues nuts with my politics.
ScottMail carrier who drives the rest of my colleagues nuts with my politics.

Not in a million years

Because the 9/11 "truth" movement is a lie. President Bush and Vice President Cheney are not murderers. There will be no indictments.

by Scott (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 402 comments) on Sunday, March 30, 2008 at 12:12:02 AM
 


Len Hart is a Houston based film/video producer specializing in shorts and full-length documentaries. He is a former major market and network correspondent; credits include CBS, ABC-TV and UPI. He maintains the progressive blog: The Existentialist Cowboy
Len HartLen Hart is a Houston based film/video producer specializing in shorts and full-length documentaries. He is a former major market and network correspondent; credits include CBS, ABC-TV and UPI. He maintains the progressive blog: The Existentialist Cowboy

people who continue to support a lie are themselves, liars

The NINE ELEVEN truth movement is NOT a lie...and neither is my article.

There is --IN FACT --no evidence whatsoever to support Bush's absurd theory.

And significantly, you failed to refute ANYTHING in my article.

Eventually, Bush's fraud will be exposed and so will the complicit liars who continue to support Bush's many CAPITAL CRIMES.

I could never understand WHY Bush would not have wanted to investigate 911 if he had been innocent. ONLY guilty people obstruct bona fide investigations of real crimes. 911 was a crime. And Bush OBSTRUCTED the investigation of it.

I consider his actions --obstruction of justice --to be probable cause that he is guilty of the bigger crime that he is clearly trying to cover up: mass murder.

 

by Len Hart (122 articles, 158 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 474 comments) on Sunday, March 30, 2008 at 3:45:34 AM
 


DOB -- September 20, 1940. Became active in civil rights and peace movements in 1962. Active in socialist and antiwar movements -- 1963-69. Active in Gay Liberation from 1969 to present.
rhalfhillDOB -- September 20, 1940. Became active in civil rights and peace movements in 1962. Active in socialist and antiwar movements -- 1963-69. Active in Gay Liberation from 1969 to present.

YOU CAN'T PROOVE ANYTHING BY JUST SAYING IT!

Don't you realize that you can't prove anything by just saying it?

If I were to just simply state without proof: "The 9/11 movement is the truth.  Bush and Cheney are murderers.  There will be indictments." -- then my argument for my position would be no better than yours.

You really ought to consider the arguments given in this OpEd article instead of just repeating your position.  A rational person pays attention to the data coming in from his or her environment instead of ignoring the data that contradicts her or his preconceptions.  Then he or she evaluates without bias the arguments or inferences that others make from that data so that she or her has accurate knowledge of what is in the environment that may either help or hurt him or her.

Robert Halfhill   rhalfhill@juno.com   RobertHalfhill@gmail.com 

 

by rhalfhill (3 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 270 comments) on Sunday, March 30, 2008 at 11:10:48 PM
 


Len Hart is a Houston based film/video producer specializing in shorts and full-length documentaries. He is a former major market and network correspondent; credits include CBS, ABC-TV and UPI. He maintains the progressive blog: The Existentialist Cowboy
Len HartLen Hart is a Houston based film/video producer specializing in shorts and full-length documentaries. He is a former major market and network correspondent; credits include CBS, ABC-TV and UPI. He maintains the progressive blog: The Existentialist Cowboy

Tell that to Bushco

"YOU CAN'T PROOVE ANYTHING BY JUST SAYING IT!"

 I believe that that is the crux of my article. 

 Bush and Cheney have simply asserted a THEORY but have utterly failed to back it up with anything other than mere assertions. I have simply pointed out numerous inconsistencies in their assertions. 

 It's a matter of the 'burden of proof". Those who assert must prove. 

Bush merely asserts but offers no evidence, no proof. There is no reason to believe the word of a liar.  

  

by Len Hart (122 articles, 158 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 474 comments) on Monday, March 31, 2008 at 10:30:12 AM
 


I'm an artist, a thinker, a wife, a mother, and a grandmother.
VierotchkaI'm an artist, a thinker, a wife, a mother, and a grandmother.

A lie?

A movement cannot be a lie. Furthermore, the only lie here is what you wrote.

by Vierotchka (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 38 comments) on Monday, March 31, 2008 at 3:59:48 PM
 


I am a chemist and able to contribute to the debate about thermite.
gravity32I am a chemist and able to contribute to the debate about thermite.

disinfo

CB Brooklyn comes out on cue to throw up rubbish in an attempt to show that the 9/11 movement is split. Wood and Reynolds are not part of 9/11 truth - they are just clever trouble makers, putting up false evidence, easily proved wrong, in the hope of discrediting the real movement.

Know them by there fruits.

by gravity32 (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 150 comments) on Sunday, March 30, 2008 at 8:28:50 AM
 


Sculptor of stone, Activist in the fields of 911 Truth, Stop the NAU, and Illegal Immigration.
JoannSculptor of stone, Activist in the fields of 911 Truth, Stop the NAU, and Illegal Immigration.

Comments to Len, Scott, and Gravity

Great article Len Hart, well documented and focusing on central issues that have  not been addressed in detail by man researchers.  Keep up the good work.

 

Scott, you need to further your horizons with research.  "Nationalist Faith" has blinded many with tunnel vision.

 

Gravity32, your analysis is on target.  DEW group was set up to make the real researcher look like fools by association with the same subject matter.   Switch and bait.

by Joann (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 42 comments) on Sunday, March 30, 2008 at 10:01:03 AM
 


Len Hart is a Houston based film/video producer specializing in shorts and full-length documentaries. He is a former major market and network correspondent; credits include CBS, ABC-TV and UPI. He maintains the progressive blog: The Existentialist Cowboy
Len HartLen Hart is a Houston based film/video producer specializing in shorts and full-length documentaries. He is a former major market and network correspondent; credits include CBS, ABC-TV and UPI. He maintains the progressive blog: The Existentialist Cowboy

Re: Joann

" Comments to Len, Scott, and Gravity"

Thanks

the 'particle beam' stuff is an annoying distraction and gives the the GOP ammunition with which they can tar any one who dares to question the government OK'd and official "conspiracy theories". How 'conveniently' it appears at the end of my article which is completely sourced and consistent with even 'mainstream media".

"focusing on central issues that have not been addressed in detail by man researchers. Keep up the good work."

Indeed! There is no reason to 'posit' particle beams; there is, in fact, no need to put forward any theory. It is enough to focus upon the MASSIVE HOLES, logical inconsistencies, demonstrable lies, and various strawmen that are kicked up by the 'official conspiracy theorists'. It is also prudent to focus upon the 'probable cause', sufficient now to begin a federal grand jury investigation of the crime team of Bush/Cheney.

It will be enough to serve justice when both of them are in the dock --where they belong ---forced to listen the hard evidence that subpoenas, I am sure, will will supply.

 

 

by Len Hart (122 articles, 158 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 474 comments) on Sunday, March 30, 2008 at 10:21:02 AM
 


Sheila Samples is an Oklahoma writer and a former civilian US Army Public Information Officer. She is a regular contributor for a variety of Internet sites.
Sheila SamplesSheila Samples is an Oklahoma writer and a former civilian US Army Public Information Officer. She is a regular contributor for a variety of Internet sites.

When Donkeys Fly...

Of course there had to be Arabs on those planes -- how else could the murderers in the White House justify the genocidal assault and occupation of Iraq?  And, if the immediate blaring of Bin Laden as being the mastermind wasn't enough, photos of the 19 perps were blazoned on every media outlet within hours of the attack.  Still not convinced?  Well, lookie here -- three passports and a bandana floating unsinged from the blazing inferno -- landing at the feet of the FBI...

Orwell said "The people will believe what the media tells them they believe."  Not what the media tells them TO believe, but tells them they believe. 

Well, I have a tendency to believe my own lying eyes.  And anyone who has ever seen one -- just one -- controlled demolition knew by 9:30 am on 9-11 what happened. 

Of course I have questions, but how hot steel has to get to sever myriads of beams cleanly into the exact lengths to fit onto waiting trucks and be rushed out of the country isn't one of them.

I want to know about...

1.  Neil Bush's security company, which was responsible for security not only for the World Trade Center, but for the two airports from which the planes were hijacked.

2.  The put stock option flurry on 9-10-01. 

3.  The security "stand down" the week before 9-11 so computer technology could be "upgraded."  Workmen came and went, undeterred, throughout that period -- bomb sniffing dogs removed.  Busy...busy...busy...

4.  Building 7 falling neatly into its own footprints shortly after owner Larry Silverstein announced on TV that it was to be "pulled."

4.  The lies and omissions of the criminal 9-11 Commission.  Please read Chapter Two of David Ray Griffin's "Debunking 9/11 Debunking" for the sheer ghoulish audacity of this investigation.  Condi's bud, Philip Zelikow, was executive director of the Commission, the primary author of the doctrine of preemptive warfare.  Griffin says Zelikow "drove and organized the staff's work...called the shots...skewed the investigation and ran it his own way."  When the report was complete, it was submitted to Zelikow and the White House who "edited" it before publication...

All roads lead back to 9-11.  Everything this monstrous gang has done for the past five years is a direct result of 9-11.  Hundreds of thousands of Americans are wounded, disabled, dead because of 9-11.  Thousands of Afganistanis and millions of Iraqis have been slaughtered or displaced because of 9-11...

And I am to fret over how hot steel gets before it causes three buildings to collapse in "controlled demolition" fashion for the first -- and last -- time in history?   That will happen -- when donkeys fly.   

 

 

by Sheila Samples (50 articles, 3358 quicklinks, 42 diaries, 366 comments) on Sunday, March 30, 2008 at 1:38:11 PM
 


I'm an artist, a thinker, a wife, a mother, and a grandmother.
VierotchkaI'm an artist, a thinker, a wife, a mother, and a grandmother.

Hit. Nail Head.

Just one tiny remark - it is not "Afghanistanis", it is simply "Afghans". Some people write "Afghanis" which is quite wrong, since Afghani is the name of the Afghan currency. :)

by Vierotchka (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 38 comments) on Monday, March 31, 2008 at 4:06:07 PM
 


Len Hart is a Houston based film/video producer specializing in shorts and full-length documentaries. He is a former major market and network correspondent; credits include CBS, ABC-TV and UPI. He maintains the progressive blog: The Existentialist Cowboy
Len HartLen Hart is a Houston based film/video producer specializing in shorts and full-length documentaries. He is a former major market and network correspondent; credits include CBS, ABC-TV and UPI. He maintains the progressive blog: The Existentialist Cowboy

Your lyin' eyes...

Sheila, your 'lyin'' eyes AIN'T lyin'

Without going into detail, Marvin Bush is much of the METHOD in "Method, Motive and Opportunity! Could the Towers have been rigged? Indeed, the the towers were largely emptied and probably no longer profitable. Silverstein HAD to dump them! M. Bush was in charge of security. Getting folk in to plant explosives is NOT a problem.

The security "stand down" the week before 9-11 so computer technology could be "upgraded." Workmen came and went, undeterred, throughout that period -- bomb sniffing dogs removed. Busy...busy...busy...

For example! Witnesses reported strange comings and goings and noises on unoccupied floors. Put Marvin in front of a Grand Jury; give him limited immunity and watch how fast he sells out his traitor bro!

The put stock option flurry on 9-10-01.

Everyone who made money that day has foreknowledge. Put them under oath in front of Grand Jury. Let them answer the question: HOW DID YOU NOW? Liars get charged with perjury.

Building 7 falling neatly into its own footprints shortly after owner Larry Silverstein announced on TV that it was to be "pulled."

That's one of several smoking guns. BBC really screwed up, reporting the collapse of Buildling 7 while it was seen still standing behind her. BBC called it a 'mistake'. I'll say!

And I am to fret over how hot steel gets before it causes three buildings to collapse in "controlled demolition" fashion for the first -- and last -- time in history? That will happen -- when donkeys fly.

I would imagine that NOT EVEN Gerald Posner --the idiot who posited a non-existent 'jet effect' to explain the observable FACT that JFK's head is forced backward upon being hit from the front --could somehow conclude that steel , due to some mysterious process of his own invention, can melt at kerosene fire temperatures.

I think we must all credit David Ray Griffin for his work. It was his seminal paper --"Why the Official Theory Cannot be True" --that focused attention on the fact the towers could not possibly have fallen from the relatively cool and brief jet fuel fires. We owe him a debt of gratitude. If the Bush gang of liars, mass murderers and cold blooded traitors are ever sent to the gallows for their heinous crimes, we will have Griffin to thank.

by Len Hart (122 articles, 158 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 474 comments) on Sunday, March 30, 2008 at 2:02:31 PM
 


Sheila Samples is an Oklahoma writer and a former civilian US Army Public Information Officer. She is a regular contributor for a variety of Internet sites.
Sheila SamplesSheila Samples is an Oklahoma writer and a former civilian US Army Public Information Officer. She is a regular contributor for a variety of Internet sites.

Griffin...

Griffin's latest book, "Debunking 9/11 Debunking" is the most brilliant and incisive indictment of not only the administration, but the shameful 9-11 Commission.  It's a tough read for those not seeking the truth, but a "must" read for all those who are. 

It's disheartening that the majority of Americans cannot, or will not, read, but trust the media to tell them what's going on.  The media has blacklisted this critical Griffin book, and I doubt seriously that Griffin could buy an interview about it on any outlet.  But he has done the work for any future investigation, and he is tireless in his crusade to tell the truth.

 

by Sheila Samples (50 articles, 3358 quicklinks, 42 diaries, 366 comments) on Sunday, March 30, 2008 at 6:23:04 PM
 


Hater of Nazis above all. Hobbies include activism, military model building, military history, exciting and vital conversation with retired crooks. Retired
John HanksHater of Nazis above all. Hobbies include activism, military model building, military history, exciting and vital conversation with retired crooks. Retired

Corporate Republican Treason

Time and again the Democratic party has ignored or covered up flagrant and obvious acts of leading Republican treason.  It is the enablers who allowed the sabotage of the 68 peace talks, the use of Iranians to put Reagan in power, etc.  911 is exactly the same.  Are the leading Democrats terrified enablers that have to put up with a brutal cabal of Republicans?  Or are they more likely the "good cops" and and indispensable part of the coverups to follow every stunt.

by John Hanks (1 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 996 comments) on Sunday, March 30, 2008 at 6:45:05 PM
 


Len Hart is a Houston based film/video producer specializing in shorts and full-length documentaries. He is a former major market and network correspondent; credits include CBS, ABC-TV and UPI. He maintains the progressive blog: The Existentialist Cowboy
Len HartLen Hart is a Houston based film/video producer specializing in shorts and full-length documentaries. He is a former major market and network correspondent; credits include CBS, ABC-TV and UPI. He maintains the progressive blog: The Existentialist Cowboy

Cowardly democrats

That's one of the reasons I will never support Hilary! She is a good Republican. A kiss up! LIttle better than a NEOCON.

 If the Democrats had INSISTED upon an investigation of 911, Bush might have already been impeached, indicted, tried and awaiting the death sentence for the capital crimes that a first year law student could prosecute. 

by Len Hart (122 articles, 158 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 474 comments) on Monday, March 31, 2008 at 4:27:44 PM
 


Born in 1929 in Sheffield Yorkshire England. Left school at age 14 and worked as a painter & decorator until I was called up for National service in the British Army. Served in the army untill 1973, then worked as an electronics/radio engineer untill 1984 when i retired. Built a boat and sailed around the Med. for 11 years then sold it in Tunisia, returned to the U.K. then to Florida where I've lived ever since.
douglas kayBorn in 1929 in Sheffield Yorkshire England. Left school at age 14 and worked as a painter & decorator until I was called up for National service in the British Army. Served in the army untill 1973, then worked as an electronics/radio engineer untill 1984 when i retired. Built a boat and sailed around the Med. for 11 years then sold it in Tunisia, returned to the U.K. then to Florida where I've lived ever since.

9/11

On the 13th of September I had my doubts about the official explanation, it just didn't add up. The cell phone calls I knew as a Radio Engineer couldn't have been made but I thought perhaps they meant the phones behind the seats but that couldn't be true either I soon discovered.

 Then you come to the towers and say to yourself, that's odd other buildings burnt for days and still stood, indeed during WW2 i saw building on fire which remained standing, very few collapsed and none in free fall time.  Even common sense tells you a building can't collapse in free fall time from fire alone since each floor would cause a delay.

 The 757 which flew into the Pentagon is by far the most ridiculous story ever to be presented for public consumption. Why did the hijackers fly the aircraft around to the back when they could have simply crossed the river and had a clear run. Why did the FBI confiscate all the video footage never to see the light of day.

 Then you have the fairy tale concerning the one which crashed in Pennsylvania, no wreckage just some old junk in a small hole.

 What about all the steel from the towers quickly and under heavy supervision shipped to China and India.

 The two acoustic spikes recorded by a New York lab coinciding exactly with the START of the collapse.

 OBL reported by a French newspaper to have been admitted to an American hospital in Dubai for kidney dialysis in June of 2001.

 When I recall the sight of those people hurling themselves from windows to a certain death knowing who was responsible i lose faith in my fellow humans.

by douglas kay (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 83 comments) on Sunday, March 30, 2008 at 10:17:17 PM
 


Len Hart is a Houston based film/video producer specializing in shorts and full-length documentaries. He is a former major market and network correspondent; credits include CBS, ABC-TV and UPI. He maintains the progressive blog: The Existentialist Cowboy
Len HartLen Hart is a Houston based film/video producer specializing in shorts and full-length documentaries. He is a former major market and network correspondent; credits include CBS, ABC-TV and UPI. He maintains the progressive blog: The Existentialist Cowboy

controlled demolition

 The two acoustic spikes recorded by a New York lab coinciding exactly with the START of the collapse.

 Thanks for the reminder about this. Certainly, the official conspiracy theory does not explain that. I am not an expert on the acoustic 'footprint' of various explosives, but I suspect that analysis of those spikes might even tell us what kinds of explosives had been planted in advance of the 'air strikes'. 

by Len Hart (122 articles, 158 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 474 comments) on Tuesday, April 1, 2008 at 2:31:55 AM
 


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Autopsy List/Flight Manifiest/Victims

You seem to be blurring the line between the three in your article. Early on, you cite Olmsted as having undertaken an FOIA request for an "autopsy list", but then, a bit later, you describe what Olmsted requested  (and received) as being a "flight manifest", seizing upon the fact that it didn't contain any "Arab names".

There is a quite a bit of difference between an "autopsy list" and a "flight manifest". If Olmsted requested an "autopsy list" via FOIA, then he probably received the list of names of those victims who, through the use of ante-mortem samples provided by their families, were positively identified in the wreckage of AA77 at the Pentagon. As a matter of course, that list of names would not include those of the hijackers, as it is doubtful that the pathologist received the necessary samples with which to make such an identification. From what I've been able to discover with a bit of Googling, there were indeed DNA profiles recovered from the crash site which did not match up with any of the samples provided by the victims' families. These would likely be those of the hijackers, but unless/until they are compared with ante-mortem samples, they remain unnamed, as it were. Hence Olmsted's Arabless list.

As far as "flight manifests" go, the airlines themselves have provided printouts which do indeed include the Arab names of the specific hijackers involved. It differs from the CNN link to which you refer in that the CNN article is described as a list of "victims", which, of course, would not contain any of the Arab names of the perpetrators involved. There is ample precedent for such distinction in the press, one example being the tendency to separate the shooters at Columbine from the memorial to their victims.

In any event, I find it a bit shocking that someone who would call for the indictment of certain among those within our Government is playing so fast and loose with even the most basic of facts. I would submit to you, sir, that 9/11 is a serious subject for serious people who are prepared to do some serious research before they go spouting off with such inflammatory rhetotic.

 It's not a playground for dabblers and dilettantes.  

by F. Apoda (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 58 comments) on Sunday, March 30, 2008 at 11:15:48 PM
 


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"It's not a playground for dabblers and dilettantes."?

Then what are you doing here?

by Vierotchka (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 38 comments) on Monday, March 31, 2008 at 4:13:35 PM
 


Len Hart is a Houston based film/video producer specializing in shorts and full-length documentaries. He is a former major market and network correspondent; credits include CBS, ABC-TV and UPI. He maintains the progressive blog: The Existentialist Cowboy
Len HartLen Hart is a Houston based film/video producer specializing in shorts and full-length documentaries. He is a former major market and network correspondent; credits include CBS, ABC-TV and UPI. He maintains the progressive blog: The Existentialist Cowboy

Which article did you read?

I did not blur the line between an autopsy list and flight manifest. In fact, THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT OF THE ARTICLE.

ONE IS EVIDENCE AND THE OTHER IS NOT. A LIST OF THOSE AUTOPSIED, PREPARED BY A PATHOLOGIST, IS EVIDENCE.

I called a "flight manifest" a "flight manifest" and made a DISTINCTION between the phony flight manifests that pro Bush sites have made up AFTER THE FACT to shore up the gaping holes in Bush's official conspiracy theory.

Then there are the REAL "official flight manifests", also referred to in the article as "original flight manifests" which were released to Dr. Olmsted in response to his FOIA request.

Then I referred SPECIFICALLY to THE PATHOLOGISTS AUTOPSY list, which was ALSO released to Dr. Olmsted in addition to the manifests.

THE DISTINCTION I MADE COULD NOT HAVE BEEN CLEARER. Dr. Olmsted himself stated and I repeated:

"A list of names on a piece of paper is not evidence, but an autopsy by a pathologist, is."

Now --clearly --rather than trying to BLUR the distinction between two, I made the distinction clear and unambiguous!

Certainly, the distinction between a 'flight manifest", which anyone came type up, must NOT be confused with a PATHOLOGISTS AUTOPSY LIST which IS evidence.

That the case I made. Which article did you read?

by Len Hart (122 articles, 158 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 474 comments) on Monday, March 31, 2008 at 5:07:01 AM