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March 3, 2008 at 01:19:17

The Pitfalls of the Antiwar Movement in America

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I, myself, have learned to utterly despise the prolonged illegal war and occupation of Iraq. I have gone to many discussions, forums, and meetings on ending the war and occupation for months---years---now. All I can think of is fragmented thoughts that somehow when put together allow a person to find it impossible to not oppose this immoral and illegal war (as if war is moral or legal but if you read the infamous 2002 speech of Barack Obama it would seem a war can be moral and legal).

What I have come to learn is that it is in the DNA of America. We are a vicious, malicious, and aggressive nation and we raise our children to “defend this nation” viciously, maliciously, and aggressively with a “take no prisoners” attitude. We take lessons from Israel on how to exact power over innocent people (the Palestinians). And we most certainly do not oppose missions in the “war on terror” to payback those that attacked us on 9/11 unless the mission is un-winnable or damaging to the respect or standing of America in the world.

This is an inherent truth that the antiwar movement constantly disregards when it is crafting its actions and messages for the public whom they wish would get involved in opposing the illegal war in Iraq and fight for the impeachment of Bush and Cheney.

Noam Chomsky, in the book What We Say Goes, says in response to a question on opposition to the war among liberals that the war isn’t really opposed by liberals at all. He suggests that Americans are upset with the war because the occupation hasn’t gone well. He goes on to say:

…You could have found the same views in Russia during the occupation of Afghanistan. Actually, there was a very interesting article recently in the Toronto Globe and Mail by a former Russian soldier who is now a Canadian citizen. He describes how the soldiers felt in Afghanistan. We were trying to help the people of Afghanistan. We were saving them from the terrorists who were attacking them. We were risking our lives to bring them medical care. And somehow they didn’t appreciate it. We were trying to protect rights of women and make it a civilized society. He says that he now hears Canadian soldiers saying the same thing about Iraq. You can translate it word for word. I’ve been in touch with him. This is part of a bigger project comparing the attitudes in Russia toward the Afghan war, the Chechnya war, what appears in the press there and so on, with attitudes here and what appears in the press here about U.S. wars. Pretty much as I expected, it’s very similar.

Noam Chomsky details several polls released in the past one to two years that show Iraqis want us out because they believe we are contributing to the violence and sectarianism and that we are building permanent bases. He indicates that we are not even providing Iraq the support for an army because we will provide the support an Iraqi army would provide. Essentially, this solidifies our role in Iraq as that of an occupying foreign power.

Under the presupposition that those polls are enough to make anyone logically realize that out of respect for sovereignty (the same respect we would expect from every country across the globe), there is no reason for this war to continue on (if you can exhume yourself from the belief that America has the right to tell countries what they can and cannot do).

However, the people who are convinced this war is wrong and are working to end the war are dragging their feet or moving their feet in the wrong manner and have been for the past three or four years. (This is all in addition to the ignorance of public support for this war because many want to see this war succeed.)

Too many expect Hillary and Barack to end this war. If we are to believe that Barack Obama or Hillary Clinton are antiwar candidates, than we must look them in the face and ask them if there is any urgency in their plans for American foreign policy to get our troops out of Iraq now. Since we know that in a debate neither wanted to commit to having all troops out of Iraq before 2013, we know that Obama or Clinton are not worthy of the label of “antiwar” because “antiwar” would mean that you were a candidate vigorously working through action and rhetoric to end the occupation and bring the troops home and also hold the rogue regime responsible for carrying out the illegal invasion accountable through impeachment.

Kucinich was an antiwar candidate. Obama or Clinton cannot be and never will be antiwar candidates. Nader is an antiwar candidate. McKinney is an antiwar candidate. Gravel and Paul are antiwar candidates. What are Obama and Clinton? Not antiwar candidates.

Yet, the antiwar movement refuses to support any of the real antiwar candidates and a large faction of the antiwar movement (the least active faction) has chosen to support Obama.

I have been told before, Obama may not say it in his campaign but we know he will bring the troops home as soon as he possibly can when elected.

Forgive me if that is not good enough. Forgive me if a man who self-censors himself and is supported by people who support the self-censorship of his agenda rubs me the wrong way. I’ve had enough of the right wing bellowing on Islamic extremism and Bush’s “mandate from Heaven.” I do not wish to support a presidential candidate who promotes activism and civics through telekinesis or ESP. Not my president.

The antiwar movement does not wish to have confrontations within the movement over what politician to support and what politician not to support. As a result, the antiwar movement becomes a non-issue for the Democratic Party because neither is threatened by the antiwar vote. Thus, the antiwar vote is a constituency that does not exist because if it did, it would not vote Democrat or Republican. It would be voting third party or for insurgent candidates if the movement could force itself to come to a consensus and support one candidate for president each election.

Plurality within the movement, however, prevents this from ever happening. It means that the movement is willing to confront people outside the movment to change their attitude toward the war but is not willing to confront people within the movement to change their attitude toward the war. The movement accepts it holds the moral high ground and then accepts that those outside of the movement need to get on board with the movement now or else. And that’s just how it is. It’s a movement of righteousness and pretentiousness.

The antiwar movement has grown into a movement that holistically rejects elections. This is good in theory and it is good especially if you are a 501(c)(3), but the people in power who are carrying out this imperialist agenda that is squandering our nation’s future are being voted in by fellow Americans and even fellow members of the antiwar movement.

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Kevin Gosztola goes to Columbia College in Chicago where he is studying film. He hopes to become a documentary filmmaker. He is currently working as a production assistant on a documentary called "Seriously Green" which traces the development of the Green Party throughout the 2008 election. He has a passion for journalism and writes articles or press releases in his spare time. Kevin Gosztola is also a student activist who believes in questioning the way America's systems work(its electoral system, its military-industrial complex, its foreign policy of American exceptionalism, its media which has become the Fourth Branch of government,etc.)
His ambitions have him currently organizing and raising money for a Chicago Conference for Media Reform in April or May of 2009. It will be organized by college students to promote youth involvement in media reform and justice. Those interested in attending or helping with the organization of the program should contact him.

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It's a Trend thing...

Kevin, you are young and quite thoughtful. Thoughtfulness is part of your DNA just as aggressiveness is part of Americas. With age you will come to terms with the reality that our species is aggressive by nature...survival is in our DNA...and survival is messy.

The good news is that when you pull back and view mankinds progress through a long lens, the trend is in the direction of civility...but social evolution happens at a snails pace. It is all about ebb and flow, two steps forward one step back.

Thus, if you desire happiness during your short tour on planet earth, find satisfaction in the direction and pace of the trend, because the here and now will typcially depress you to no end.

 

by James Strait (39 articles, 0 quicklinks, 7 diaries, 192 comments) on Monday, March 3, 2008 at 8:08:19 AM
 


Kevin Gosztola goes to Columbia College in Chicago where he is studying film. He hopes to become a documentary filmmaker. He is currently working as a production assistant on a documentary called "Seriously Green" which traces the development of the Green Party throughout the 2008 election. He has a passion for journalism and writes articles or press releases in his spare time. Kevin Gosztola is also a student activist who believes in questioning the way America's systems work(its electoral sys...

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Kevin GosztolaKevin Gosztola goes to Columbia College in Chicago where he is studying film. He hopes to become a documentary filmmaker. He is currently working as a production assistant on a documentary called "Seriously Green" which traces the development of the Green Party throughout the 2008 election. He has a passion for journalism and writes articles or press releases in his spare time. Kevin Gosztola is also a student activist who believes in questioning the way America's systems work(its electoral sys...

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I have no unrealistic expectations

I do realize that we are a species who lives to survive. Don't all species live to survive?

But, I do have a problem with a group that wants to further advance civility yet cannot come down from the pedestal they put themselves on. 

The antiwar movement is so idealistic that it kills any chances of success. I wish they could spend some time designing a plan for action and stick to the ideology or message they come up with and continue forward sticking up for the future of America.

Thanks for your comment. As I read more and more Chomsky, I realize how much better America has gotten since the 60s. 

by Kevin Gosztola (235 articles, 127 quicklinks, 72 diaries, 907 comments) on Monday, March 3, 2008 at 10:25:44 AM
 


Hater of Nazis above all. Hobbies include activism, military model building, military history, exciting and vital conversation with retired crooks. Retired
John HanksHater of Nazis above all. Hobbies include activism, military model building, military history, exciting and vital conversation with retired crooks. Retired

War is the heart of the state.

Liberals and other anti-war activists pay their taxes.  They are morally just as bad as any hit man.  I am not proposing that they improve their personal morals by not paying taxes, which is just vanity.

They must learn the real history of wars as a form of organized crime.  The Iraq war brings it all into sharp relief.  The "pleasures" of militarism are the real enemy.

 

by John Hanks (1 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 1406 comments) on Monday, March 3, 2008 at 12:36:19 PM
 


impeachment for congress, house and president
Tri 'cat' Oxtailimpeachment for congress, house and president

World Against War

The antiwar movement is strong and organizing fast. There's going to be an antiwar protest held in a few weeks that will be the largest in history of human history. Still have yet to read a single blurb about it, but yet the people know...How did the movement organize this many countries and places? http://WorldAgainstWar.org

The world is treading on thin ground and the people are upset

by Tri 'cat' Oxtail (0 articles, 1 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 15 comments) on Monday, March 3, 2008 at 5:05:10 PM
 


It is never the masses that make the difference, it is always the individual which makes the difference. Thank you for letting me be myself today.
Jeanette DoneyIt is never the masses that make the difference, it is always the individual which makes the difference. Thank you for letting me be myself today.

There is no anti-war movement

I am convinced that any protest or event against the war is organized by people who are connected with politicians.  They do the speaking, and do you notice that there is always something else they talk about?  I went to see Media Benjamin to hear her talk against the war and occupation, and she talked about how we need to support the immigrants.  I went to see Ann Rice talk, and she talked about how corrupt our government is, Alexandre Cockburn.  Cindy Sheehan talked about Pelousi.  Ralph Nader talks about corrupt corporations, Ron Paul and Kucinich talk about the US Constitution being corrupted, but none of them tour the country organizing a peace movement or an antiwar movement.  They are not recruiting leaders or help.  And if you approach them and say, "I want to help you end the war".  They have something to sell you, be it a book or a pink tee shirt, and their advice to you is always: keep sending money.  We are being entertained.  Some entertain better than others.  That's all.

Meanwhile, I believe that the world sees us sliding down a slippery slope for all the reasons those we would have as peace leaders say, but they are really the ones to blame because they refuse to unite with each other, and if those we revere as peace leaders will not unite...how can we?  They have connections.  I don't.  You?  There it is.

 

by Jeanette Doney (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 6 diaries, 304 comments) on Tuesday, March 4, 2008 at 7:18:41 AM
 


Kevin Gosztola goes to Columbia College in Chicago where he is studying film. He hopes to become a documentary filmmaker. He is currently working as a production assistant on a documentary called "Seriously Green" which traces the development of the Green Party throughout the 2008 election. He has a passion for journalism and writes articles or press releases in his spare time. Kevin Gosztola is also a student activist who believes in questioning the way America's systems work(its electoral sys...

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Kevin GosztolaKevin Gosztola goes to Columbia College in Chicago where he is studying film. He hopes to become a documentary filmmaker. He is currently working as a production assistant on a documentary called "Seriously Green" which traces the development of the Green Party throughout the 2008 election. He has a passion for journalism and writes articles or press releases in his spare time. Kevin Gosztola is also a student activist who believes in questioning the way America's systems work(its electoral sys...

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The Chicago AntiWar Rally on March 19th

The leaders who are organizing this have set a standard that all antiwar groups should uphold.

 All the speakers at the rally will not be politicians. It's something to think about. Not even Green Party politicians or Socialist politicians are being allowed to speak.

UFPJ, ANSWER, and even World Can't Wait with it's RCP connections are detrimental to the movement because people can never just organize to fight the war and are instantly looking past their victory wondering what they will do to stop Democrats, Socialists, and Communists after the war and occupation has ended.

Don't even think about letting Libertarians in on the antiwar movement! You might as well be Bushites from the White House.

It's terrible. But I see some improvement with the organized rally and march because we are addressing one key point of "truth":

Unless a movement of people opposed to war and occupation exist in America that is powerful enough to cost politicians their jobs, powerful enough to cost corporations who are part of the military-industrial complex, and powerful enough to reach all the people that do not normally participate in antiwar actions, we will never be able to get this country to a point where it can elect good and decent politicians like Kucinich, Paul, Nader, and Gravel.

by Kevin Gosztola (235 articles, 127 quicklinks, 72 diaries, 907 comments) on Tuesday, March 4, 2008 at 10:10:24 AM
 


It is never the masses that make the difference, it is always the individual which makes the difference. Thank you for letting me be myself today.
Jeanette DoneyIt is never the masses that make the difference, it is always the individual which makes the difference. Thank you for letting me be myself today.

The only Party I ever belonged was Libertarian

The best peace blogg is www.antiwar.com, which is liberatarian, and Ron Paul rEVOLution wouldn't have come this far if it wasn't for the Libertarians.

 

by Jeanette Doney (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 6 diaries, 304 comments) on Friday, March 7, 2008 at 9:12:38 AM
 


impeachment for congress, house and president
Tri 'cat' Oxtailimpeachment for congress, house and president

Jeanette Doney

Cynthia McKinney talks about antiwar

thats why you never here her in the media... I remember hearing from a McKinney supporter write in his personal blog;

"When Cynthia gets elected, there will be the largest paper shreading campaign and a mass exodus of war criminals escaping to far off countries from Nov to Jan 21 2009" https://www.mckinney2008.com

I hought it was funny at first than thought damn, he's right

by Tri 'cat' Oxtail (0 articles, 1 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 15 comments) on Thursday, March 6, 2008 at 4:47:24 PM
 


impeachment for congress, house and president
Tri 'cat' Oxtailimpeachment for congress, house and president

thanks Kevin

thanks

by Tri 'cat' Oxtail (0 articles, 1 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 15 comments) on Thursday, March 6, 2008 at 4:48:37 PM
 


It is never the masses that make the difference, it is always the individual which makes the difference. Thank you for letting me be myself today.
Jeanette DoneyIt is never the masses that make the difference, it is always the individual which makes the difference. Thank you for letting me be myself today.

I'm Not A Green by CHOICE thank you

I'm sorry Cynthia McKinney didn't take that capital security guard to court for coming up behind her and touching her.  He deserved to be belted in the face with a cell phone.  He should have been protecting her, not attacking her.  He should have called secutiy within the building to approach her, not come up behind her...whatever..she didn't stand up to a cop, how in hell is she going to stop the war?  That said, IMO the Green Party is a gatekeeper to the Democrat Party.  Nader built the Green Party and they can kiss off after what they did to Nader in the name of GREEN PARTY.  Thank you for your kind offer.

by Jeanette Doney (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 6 diaries, 304 comments) on Friday, March 7, 2008 at 9:19:48 AM
 

 

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