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Marcy Wheeler/Empty Wheel; The Really Bad Committee Obama is Creating To Review NSA Policy

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Marcy Wheeler blogs at

She is perhaps best known for her extraordinary coverage of the Scooter Libby trial for 

more on her at wikipedia

Your article reports that Cass Sunstein has been appointed to the committee he is putting together to review surveillance program policies. 

Advocate of Secret Infiltration, Cass Sunstein, on Obama's 'Committee To Make Us Trust the Dragnet,

Richard Clarke, Mike Morel, Peter Swire and Cass Sunstein. 

My understanding is that Sunstein wrote back in 2008 that the government should use sock puppets and people with fake identities to disrupt and confuse messages.  Can you talk more about that?

What is happening on twitter, (since Snowden) that suggests that Sunstein's ideas have been at work?

What's your take on the big picture on Chelsea/Bradley Manning, Ed Snowden, NSA, Obama, privacy and surveillance?

Information asymmetry?

That brings up the threat to journalism and freedom of the press that seems to be emanating directly from the White House. Can you comment on it?

What are your thoughts on NSA and the data they keep. 

HumInt Human Intelligence

SigInt Signal intelligence

Please explain them.

So, you're saying that Humint, the US is bad at, and SigInt has gotten so easy with the help of corporations now making a profit off of providing surveillance info-- we're seeing that maybe Evgeny Morozov is right-- that the internet is producing some bad things. 

FISA court chief judge, Reggie Walton, has reported that he has no resources for checking the claims of NSA or the government. What are your thoughts on this?

Perhaps the FISA court is nothing more than another effort to make us trust the surveillance programs. 

Let's talk about lying three times " or close  to three thousand times-- and about the news that the NSA has made close to 3000 "mistaken" searches because of "typos."

With all the lying from the leaders of the security establishment, it's hard to believe anyone. Their credibility is shot. Is there anyone there who you still find credible?

Glenn Fine

We need to wrap up. Any summary or conclusions?

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Rob Kall has spent his adult life as an awakener and empowerer-- first in the field of biofeedback, inventing products, developing software and a music recording label, MuPsych, within the company he founded in 1978-- Futurehealth, and founding, organizing and running 3 conferences: Winter Brain, on Neurofeedback and consciousness, Optimal Functioning and Positive Psychology (a pioneer in the field of Positive Psychology, first presenting workshops on it in 1985) and Storycon Summit Meeting on the Art Science and Application of Story-- each the first of their kind. Then, when he found the process of raising people's consciousness and empowering them to take more control of their lives one person at a time was too slow, he founded which has been the top search result on Google for the terms liberal news and progressive opinion for several years. Rob began his Bottom-up Radio show, broadcast on WNJC 1360 AM to Metro Philly, also available on iTunes, covering the transition of our culture, business and world from predominantly Top-down (hierarchical, centralized, authoritarian, patriarchal, big) to bottom-up (egalitarian, local, interdependent, grassroots, archetypal feminine and small.) Recent long-term projects include a book, Bottom-up-- The Connection Revolution, debillionairizing the planet and the Psychopathy Defense and Optimization Project.

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