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David Swanson-- We debate and discuss How to Handle Psychopaths, Sociopaths and Predators

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David Swanson is an anti-war activist and journalist and author of War is A Lie, War No More-- a case for abolition numerous other books.

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Here's the article he recently wrote:

Article: Can We Really Blame Sociopaths

Interview notes:

these are mostly my questions, and for this interview, I got so absorbed in the conversation, I barely wrote down any notes. 

But sociopaths are so  good at manipulating people and manipulating the system. 

David: We've given up on the idea of removing people 

David: It's such a difficult thing you're talking about and such an easy thing to abuse.

Rob: what do you think about humans being hunters and predators?

David: because we think of war, we think that war always existed-- 

Rob: CIvilization led to producing top-down controlling powers that 

Elaine Scarey-- thermonuclear monarchy

Rob: WE need to be asking a lot more questions about the bad guys because the traditional peace movement has stopped working, especially under Obama. 

David: to run for pubic office, you have to be a money grubber. And good people detest that kind of behavior, that kind of selling out of your soul. You have to behave as a pretty despicable person to run for office. It's a huge hurdle that weeds out most of the talented and moral individuals. 

Rob: what do you see in the US that is working now?

David: state of CT working on transitioning from weapon industries to peace industries. Occupy, people's attitudes towards war, prevention of US attack of Syria-- congress members got more pushback than they did on the bank crisis.

Rob: And we know that Sy Hersh reports that even the military leaders pushed back because they knew that Syria didn't do it (Sarin)

David: and Sy Hersh didn't talk about how strongly the public opposed Obama's rush to invade syria-- 

Rob: I didn't see reports of that public influence anywhere.

Rob: the system goes to incredible lengths-- the msm-- to squelch the idea that the people can change things. 

Rob: we really need to deal with how the system maintains the narrative that those in power belong there and things are not changeable. 

David: I work with and we have a list of successes we've had. 

David: cites examples from history of how protesters were effective.

David: If we had 3-4% of the people involved we could change anything

Rob: What projects are you working on now?

Rob: and I would argue that the idea of going to war is insane

David: Howard Zinn taught us that the biggest enemy we have is obedience-- we're engaged in a massive Milgram experiment. 

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Great interview. I really enjoyed it. Psychopaths ... by intotheabyss on Wednesday, Apr 16, 2014 at 6:28:25 PM
UNIFY ALL OF THE WESTERN WORLD - US, LATIN AMERIC... by Pal Palsimon on Thursday, Apr 17, 2014 at 2:03:37 AM
Wow!  What are you smoking?  Or is it an... by Shirley Braverman on Thursday, Apr 17, 2014 at 2:45:59 AM
Yours is the typical comment of someone who is not... by Pal Palsimon on Thursday, Apr 17, 2014 at 4:11:12 PM