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Against Ad hominem and more

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Regarding http://www.opednews.com/articles/Ad-Hominem-Attacks-by-Rady-Ananda-090106-173.html

I second Rady's point that Ad hominem attacks need to stop here at OEN as I also sheepishly admit that I have occasionally used them despite trying hard not to fall into that trap.

Ad hominem responses though, are not the only community issue that needs work here at OEN. I think almost as bad are the off topic responses one frequently gets to their articles or diaries. Here are examples:

1. Repost any speech or statement by a Democratic elected official on an important topic and you can expect one response regarding the topic and about 89 other responses on how all Democrats are bad, how that official voted the wrong way on another issue, how that official should be spending his time doing something else, why they arent in favor of impeachment, how they are bad because they believe in the official story of 9/11 or any other pet project issue.

2. Any particular criticism of Ron Paul gets immediately taken over by Paulites who steer the discussion away from the particular item you are critiquing and talk about how anything other than Laissez-faireism is totalitarianism or Communism.

3. Discussions of any particular aspect of the economy gets hordes of people selling their idea on the complete restructuring of the economy. and if you dont believe them or agree with them, or if you want to concentrate on a different aspect of the economy, you automatically dont know what you are talking about. Anything you are trying to talk about is drowned out in discussions about eliminating capitalism, or eliminating the Fed, or people championing the cause of economic Laissez-Faireism.

There is nothing as frustrating as spending good time thinking about and researching an article and then have one or more individuals hijack discussion of it to talk about their pet project.

As a result of ad-hominem and off topic responses, many articles have been denied the kind of dialogue that they deserve.

I dont like to raise problems without offering solutions so:

A. With regards to the ad-hominem issue, I think editors should automatically hide ad-hominem comments whenever they are found.

B. With regard to off topic comments, I propose a discussion forum only section of OEN. When you respond to an article, you are offered the chance to post directly to the article, or post in the discussion forum for ideas that are only semi-related to the article or barely related.

 

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Your examples aren't examples they are categories by Brett Paatsch on Tuesday, Jan 6, 2009 at 9:39:42 AM
Obviously, I disagree... by Steven Leser on Tuesday, Jan 6, 2009 at 9:47:31 AM
A Classic Example... by James Hadstate on Tuesday, Jan 6, 2009 at 10:27:11 AM
A genius wouldn't confuse examples with categories by Brett Paatsch on Tuesday, Jan 6, 2009 at 10:53:59 AM
You still don't know me... by Steven Leser on Tuesday, Jan 6, 2009 at 4:13:38 PM
I know you and you know me better than either of us know by Brett Paatsch on Tuesday, Jan 6, 2009 at 6:15:39 PM
Wow, I totally stand by that... by Steven Leser on Tuesday, Jan 6, 2009 at 9:41:29 PM
Wikipedia's article on the Protocols says it all... by Steven Leser on Tuesday, Jan 6, 2009 at 9:48:08 PM
You and I have essentially had this conversation already by Brett Paatsch on Tuesday, Jan 6, 2009 at 10:45:00 PM
Ohh well.... by Alan Murphy Smith on Wednesday, Jan 7, 2009 at 8:41:02 PM
So, you are saying that wiki is wrong and the protocols by Alexis Knapp on Thursday, Jan 8, 2009 at 5:23:05 PM
No by Alan Murphy Smith on Thursday, Jan 8, 2009 at 8:40:09 PM
I was with you up to the proposed solutions... by James Hadstate on Tuesday, Jan 6, 2009 at 9:41:53 AM
Interesting point, but... by Steven Leser on Tuesday, Jan 6, 2009 at 9:50:49 AM
If both the author of the original diary or article AND an by Brett Paatsch on Tuesday, Jan 6, 2009 at 11:21:25 AM
Fair criticism by C.Bid on Tuesday, Jan 6, 2009 at 11:40:41 AM
Editors by C.Bid on Tuesday, Jan 6, 2009 at 11:45:24 AM
That depends on how clear and non-subjective the rules are by Steven Leser on Tuesday, Jan 6, 2009 at 4:26:13 PM
Exactly by Brett Paatsch on Tuesday, Jan 6, 2009 at 5:50:55 PM
Except that your main objection by Steven Leser on Tuesday, Jan 6, 2009 at 10:32:54 PM
Thats just one that I offered you by way of illustration by Brett Paatsch on Tuesday, Jan 6, 2009 at 10:59:34 PM
Agreed... by C.Bid on Tuesday, Jan 6, 2009 at 6:02:46 PM
deleting part of a comment vs. entire comment by Rady Ananda on Thursday, Jan 8, 2009 at 9:21:38 PM
The Holocaust by Alan Murphy Smith on Wednesday, Jan 7, 2009 at 9:22:10 PM
right on, Steve by Rady Ananda on Tuesday, Jan 6, 2009 at 10:12:56 AM
Certainly hiding rather than deleting gives an opportunity by Brett Paatsch on Tuesday, Jan 6, 2009 at 11:09:06 AM
I'm with you completely! by C.Bid on Tuesday, Jan 6, 2009 at 10:26:28 AM
These pet project responses are so over the top... by Steven Leser on Tuesday, Jan 6, 2009 at 4:35:58 PM
hijacking a thread by Rady Ananda on Thursday, Jan 8, 2009 at 9:30:31 PM
FOX TV Comes to the Internet by Jason Paz on Tuesday, Jan 6, 2009 at 10:33:09 AM
Your last two diaries were pretty gutsy by Steven Leser on Tuesday, Jan 6, 2009 at 4:58:37 PM
For the record, Mr. Paz, by Linda Milazzo on Thursday, Jan 8, 2009 at 6:30:31 PM
Only contention I have with this is in the area ... by Mr M on Tuesday, Jan 6, 2009 at 4:33:06 PM
This is exactly one of the examples I am talking about... by Steven Leser on Tuesday, Jan 6, 2009 at 4:42:32 PM
Here's a possible OEN New Year's resolution by Meryl Ann Butler on Tuesday, Jan 6, 2009 at 5:44:47 PM
De-Ad-Hominize Brett's Comment by Maxwell on Wednesday, Jan 7, 2009 at 2:32:17 PM